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  •  So how do the anti-vaxxars make money? (2+ / 0-)
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    raptavio, Naniboujou

    Writing books?

    Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

    by whenwego on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 01:06:22 PM PDT

    •  It must be billions of dollars for those books! (2+ / 0-)
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      I mean the medical industry and big pharma certainly are not doing this because the revenue is closing in at $80 billion per year. I am sure the are both caring and compassionate institutions.

      •  Vaccines are a low profit item for Pharma (10+ / 0-)

        compared to almost everything else they make.

        •  Google can be your friend, too! (3+ / 0-)
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          Unless you are Warren Buffett, $25 billion is not chump change. And, that does not include the fact that it is NEVER ENDING and GROWING.

          The renaissance in the vaccine market continues with strong growth and new prospects to continue to grow this part of the market, which now stands at about $25 billion. Once a commodity market with low margins, the vaccines on the market now include blockbusters and megablockbusters. New candidates for vaccinating against cancers and HIV are also projected to hit the magic milestone. The market is expected to return a compound annual growth rate of more than 8% through 2018, EvaluatePharma projects, with some segments like adult vaccines showing even better.
          •  You forgot the denominator (10+ / 0-)

            Worldwide revenues for the pharmaceutical industry are about $1 trillion. Vaccines would therefore be about 2.5% of that. Most pharmaceutical companies do not produce any vaccines at all.

            But in any case if they are making more money I'm happy, as it will get them to put some money into researching more and better vaccines. A lot of pharmaceutical companies' pipelines have been going dry and there are a lot of areas for which they have had no recent successes.

          •  I tend to agree that the pharmaceutical companies (1+ / 0-)
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            see their vaccine divisions as an important part of their business and they depend on them to be profitable growth areas.

            Here is an example.

            GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) today announced that it has acquired Okairos AG (Okairos), a specialist developer of vaccine platform technologies for €250 million (approximately £215 million/$325 million) in cash.

            Swiss-based Okairos, a private company, has developed a novel vaccine platform technology which is expected to play an important role in GSK’s development of new prophylactic vaccines (designed to prevent infection) as well as new classes of therapeutic vaccines (designed to treat infection or disease). Okairos’ technology complements GSK’s existing vaccine technology and expertise and will enable GSK to continue its work developing the next generation of vaccines. The deal also includes a small number of early stage assets.

            The acquisition reinforces GSK’s commitment to investment in innovative science. GSK’s vaccines business sits alongside pharmaceuticals and consumer healthcare as part of a balanced business and product portfolio capable of delivering sustainable sales growth.

            GSK strengthens vaccines business with acquisition of Okairos
          •  Plenty of vaccines are off patent and (1+ / 0-)
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            well tested.

            If you want to skip some of the more novel and expensive vaccines, that concern has more foundation. But the older tried-and-true ones don't have much profit motivation involved, and they have millions and millions of administrations for you to examine.

            Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

            by elfling on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 04:30:22 PM PDT

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            •  I think a lot of people would like the older (0+ / 0-)

              vaccines like the measles vaccine instead of the MMR but they aren't able to get them.

              Now I think even MMR is getting phased-out somewhat in favor of MMRV. I don't know if there was any profit motivation involved in that switch.

    •  how do faith healers make money? (2+ / 0-)
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      I don't think there's really a "profit motive" behind much of the anti-vaccination movement. It's just scared, misinformed parents and people who enable scared and misinformed parents.

      But some of those enablers are likely cynical actors taking advantage of an eco-system that rejects science and embraces fantastical paranoia.

      •  There's a lot of money (0+ / 0-)

        to be had in selling assorted treatments that vary from mostly harmless, like magnet bracelets and probiotics, to horrible things like chelators and bleach enemas (really).

        Look at some of the biggest names in vaccine hysteria, and you'll fine that a lot of them are hawking products from their own books to entire online stores of supposed cures. Even Andrew Wakefield had a profit motive for trying to prove that the MMR vaccine caused autism.

        They've got parents who can virally market their product for them for free, but there's gold in them thar links.

        Yes, a lot of the people who are anti-vaxxers aren't making money from their position, but  I honestly don't think the anti-vax movement would be as loud or as sustained without those people willing to profit from all those parents' FUD.

    •  Worthless health "supplements" (0+ / 0-)

      Sugar pills endorsed by alternative medicine quacks who live in mansions.

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