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    Although considering the lecture a local substitute teacher gave me about School Lunch waste, it may be a losing cause.  We mandate nutritional standards (Ketchup is not a vegetable), but of course most of the kids are going to throw the (Canned) green beans and limp lettuce green salad away;  They want Kraft Macaroni & Cheese and Pizza, and a lot of their parents try to give that to them.  Or at least Ramen Noodles.

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    by OzarkOrc on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 07:58:57 AM PST

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    •  Yeah, no salt excess in Ramen! (1+ / 0-)
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      by cany on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 08:15:16 AM PST

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      •  and that right there's where the fail starts (3+ / 0-)

        those "nutritional standards" are interpreted as mandating those cold green beans and that nasty limp lettuce.

        You wouldn't eat it, because honestly? It's unappetizing, tastes like crap, and has all the appeal of a goanna lizard on the plate. Yet you can find fault with kids who feel the same way.

        What if those "nutritional standards" expanded, so those green beans could come in a vegetable stew served in a bread bowl?
        Or that nasty limp lettuce could be replaced with spinach or kale, pepitas and berries?

        "Good nutrition" does NOT have to equal my mom's boiled-to-gray-mush vegetables and expiration-date bagged salad. It just doesn't. Kids want food that looks good and tastes good -- and kids also want food they know from home and take some comfort in, and that's not ever going to be the same as mass-produced cafeteria "product". But when you're "minimizing costs" and mass-producing "food" ... you get waste, 'cause it looks nasty and tastes worse.

        Where I live, kids at home might get tacos a desayuno at home -- refritos or frijoles, huevos or papas, queso or pico; so they go to school and breakfast is (Swear to Ceiling Cat, read the menu on the district web site) White Toast with Butter and Syrup, Cold Cereal, orange juice.

        Only that toast is cold way before the kids get it, that syrup's artificial, the butter's actually oleomargarine of the cheapest sort, the orange juice is watery and the cold cereal is skim milk on raisin bran. Where's the good nutrition in that????

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        by BlackSheep1 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:34:38 AM PST

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        •  Something about my school lunch experience: (2+ / 0-)
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          Grades 1-3 I lived in Garland, TX.You actually had a choice between two entrees. And the entrees didn't have lots of fresh fruits and veggies but it was food I thought was more than decent. Plenty of hamburgers, chicken-fried steak, hot dogs, fish with tarter sauce.

          We moved to Colorado before I started 4th grade. School lunches there: they served one thing. It was either eat that, bring a paper bag lunch (and hope it didn't get stolen or sabotaged by bullies), or don't eat. I was blissfully unaware of any subsidized lunches. But the food during that time was barely tolerable. The salisbury steak was gross and the gravy on it made it even worse.

          Junior high it was back to a choice among entrees, so the food wasn't bad. By the time I got to high school, it was a steady rotation of chicken nuggets, pizza and hamburgers. Whenever I had the car I would take my lunch hour to go get McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King or Taco Bell.

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          by RockyMtnLib on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 12:30:43 PM PST

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          •  when I was a kid (1+ / 0-)
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            the cafeteria often served "pizza" -- biscuit dough with scorched hamburger mixed with tomato puree and dusted with shredded yellow American cheese. At the time I thought (being not a pizza consumer) it was actual pizza, and therefore I believed all pizza was nasty. It came from an Ozarks school cafeteria.

            No mozzarella, no seasonings in the meat -- not even salt and pepper -- no real, you know, pizza sauce. No 'shrooms or onions or bell pepper or Canadian bacon or anything. The bottom of the crust was often sweated-wet from standing after being pulled out of the oven while still white.

            Apparently that's a universal recipe for "school lunch pizza."

            My kids were presented with a slab of that junk at least once a week from 1987-2002, going to school in 4 different districts in West Texas.

            The city I live in has now "closed campus" for lunch at all high schools and contracted with Taco Bell, Burger King and Long John Silver's to run lunch lines.

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            by BlackSheep1 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 01:43:37 PM PST

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            •  I've volunteered in schools since 1980 (4+ / 0-)

              And the meals, using gov. subsidy foods such as cheese and mashed potato flakes were good, homemade type spaghetti, mac and cheese, stew, chicken and dumplings etc.  Then they started doing away with the local school lunchroom cooks and making it all at a central location.  Next they got into privatizing it out to the lowest bidder, guess how great THAT food was.  Everything was named brands but made especially for schools where the taste and condition of the food went to a captive audience and all that mattered was the price.

              Also, most of the kid's parents now do take out, take and bake, or eat out and it's all fast food.  These kids wouldn't know good food if it should happen to be served to them.

              Breakfasts are so sugary and salty that it's a wonder the kids can kick start their brains with that junk.  I agree with whomever said that it's difficult to make large amounts of food prepared and kept warm taste good.  Every school district needs a nutritionist, and every school needs a real kitchen in their lunch room, with lunch ladies who make pans of the same things they serve at home (they will all have to be over 50).

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