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  •  Nope, wrong again, Laurence. (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama, Putin previously discussed plan to secure Syria chemical arms

    U.S. and Russian officials confirmed Tuesday that they have had discussions about securing Syria’s chemical arms going back months, including in a meeting between Presidents Obama and Putin at the G-20 summit last week, and that the idea was not born out of a stray comment made by US Secretary of State John Kerry at a London press conference Monday.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:14:00 PM PDT

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    •  wow (2+ / 0-)
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      as i said, it's no secret that russia had been proposing a deal for months. which went nowhere. but how odd that after kerry blurted it in public, he and the state department quickly tried to backtrack, until lavrov jumped on it. as the new york times reported.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:19:08 PM PDT

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      •  You go on insisting how odd it is. (1+ / 0-)
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        Meanwhile, the rest of us can read:

        He and Obama agreed “to instruct Secretary of State [John Kerry] and Foreign Minister [Sergey Lavrov] to get in touch” and “try to move this idea forward,” Putin told Russia Today in an interview Tuesday.
        Maybe it's time to walk away from the corner you've backed yourself into, because it's completely indefensible.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:27:50 PM PDT

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        •  i know this is hard (1+ / 0-)
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          but i never denied it had been discussed for months. but how odd that when kerry made it public, he and state quickly backtracked. why would they do that? why would lavrov quickly jump on something kerry was running from?

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:31:39 PM PDT

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          •  Not just "discussed," but ordered forward. (0+ / 0-)

            Your silly little point isn't "hard," it's just stupid.

            And no, it's not "odd" that the State Department would keep the pressure on that was succeeding in securing Russian cooperation. It's utterly unexceptional.

            And finally, once again, you need to stop lying that Lavrov "jumped on" something that he, and Kerry, had already been on for months.

            Just give it up. You are pathological.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:39:42 PM PDT

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            •  wow (2+ / 0-)
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              yeah, kerry was backing away from it, state was backing away from it, lavrov went ahead and acted as if they hadn't, and suddenly it happened. but that's not jumping on something that kerry and state were denying. or something.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:44:36 PM PDT

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              •  Answered, over and over again. (0+ / 0-)

                Repeating the same point with an increasing superior pose doesn't work, Laurence. It doesn't make you look less wrong to anyone following the thread.

                Look, keep playing dumb if it's this important to you to pretend you weren't wrong.

                Whatever, I don't care. I got what I wanted, Obama got what he wanted, Kerry got what he wanted, and the world's last chemical weapons regime has just been stripped of its chemical weapons, because of the diplomatic efforts of Barack Obama and John Kerry.

                And all the bullshit in all the comment threads on Daily Kos aren't going to change history, or history's judgement.

                It's just one idiot, screaming into the void because it hurts too much to admit he screwed up.

                Art is the handmaid of human good.

                by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:55:35 PM PDT

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                •  i see you've hide rated me (1+ / 0-)
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                  for stating a fact. and now twice called me pathological. read a little sy hersch, although it might hurt your tummy. i'm done with you.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:57:49 PM PDT

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                  •  Yes, for the CT. That's disgraceful. (1+ / 0-)
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                    I've read plenty of Sy Hersch. Remember when he had to apologize for publishing a bogus story in Time Magazine about American chemical weapons usage? That story had more evidence to support it than this one.

                    I pray, Mr. Pathological, that you really are done with me.

                    For my part, I intend to slap down your ludicrous "Kerry got lucky" nonsense every time it comes up.

                    Art is the handmaid of human good.

                    by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 01:06:46 PM PDT

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