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  •  As usual, the Koch Brothers, API and AEI (6+ / 0-)

    are doing a bang-up job of promoting their talking points.

    1)It will create lots and lots of jobs
    2)It's inevitable anyway
    3)But we need oil!

    We're not as pwned on every issue, messaging-wise, as we sometimes think we are. But we are pwned on this one. The Kochs have our number. The American people don't make the connection between water and survival, except for the farmers and ranchers. Most of the rest of us think clean water is an aesthetic proposition, and climate change is inevitable so why bother to do anything.

    Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 01:32:20 PM PST

    •  in addition to that (9+ / 0-)

      I think a lot of people just think its only those whacky lefty tree-hugger environmentalists who are opposed to it, not really plain ol' sane folks. Plain ol' sane folks think Jobs ... Ive shared just this one blockquote with a few people here and there and they go "Oh! I didnt realize that!"

      How many jobs will it create?
      Proponents say it would create anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 jobs, while critics say it would only create a couple dozen. Both numbers are inaccurate: a new State Department assessment found it would create 1,950 jobs for a two-year period, after which it would generate 50 permanent jobs. the U.S. economy, according to State Department estimates. It would contribute $3.4 billion to the U.S. economy, which would account for 0.02 percent of the nation's gross domestic product.
      according to WaPo

      If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

      by Lady Libertine on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 01:45:18 PM PST

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      •  The people who say it will only create a couple (1+ / 0-)
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        dozen are actually referring to permanent jobs, but I don't expect that much love from WaPo that they would admit that.

        Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:18:02 PM PST

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      •  I had a friend, an environmentalist, recite (3+ / 0-)

        the inevitability talking point at me. He'd heard it on NPR.

        JimP has been right for years that what we have to focus on is building a successful alternative media and messaging infrastructure, or it won't matter what else we do.

        The blogosphere by itself is not enough.

        Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:37:17 PM PST

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      •  Scott Walker rejected that much investment (7+ / 0-)

        in Wisconsin alone by killing several large wind projects, cancelling the higher speed rail improvements to one of the largest cities in the US not accessible by rail, and rejecting the Medicaid expansion in Obamacare. The sum total of these lost investments in Wisconsin's economy likely exceeds the TOTAL contribution expected from Keystone XL to the US GDP.
        Yet what do we hear from the corporate media on this issue of austerity, and lost opportunity in the upper Midwest? Crickets.

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