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  •  Sad, but expected (2+ / 0-)
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    Lady Libertine, maryabein

    People will always choose money over the environment.  They see gas prices and think "hey, I could save a few bucks a week if those damn hippies would let them build that pipeline!"

    A carbon tax may be an easier lift, and more effective, than fighting new pipelines.  Make oil the costlier alternative and people will think "hey, I could save a few bucks if those damn hippies would let them build that solar array!"

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:22:16 PM PST

    •  No, really, it's the jobs. (2+ / 0-)
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      Eyesbright, Subterranean

      They are quite literally desperate for jobs. It's like the Kochs have been holding a picture of food in front of a starving man.

      People keep characterizing this as hippie-punching. It's not, I don't think. It's a combination of a very bad fundamental misunderstanding of reality, meaning: food and water come from the land and if the land gets screwed up the food and water stop being edible or go away entirely, and the desperate sensation that they're being fed into a meat grinder. Any escape will look like salvation. The Kochs say "Here, jobs!"they'll grab at the jobs.

      Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 04:26:40 PM PST

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      •  Jobs = Money (0+ / 0-)
        It's a combination of a very bad fundamental misunderstanding of reality, meaning: food and water come from the land and if the land gets screwed up the food and water stop being edible or go away entirely, and the desperate sensation that they're being fed into a meat grinder.
        I agree, but people don't think that way.  Most people have no connection to the land and no understanding of where food originates.  Even among those who do understand, higher taxes and prices, or job losses, will nearly always trump environmental harm that manifests years in the future.  If it's stop global warming versus feed three screaming kids, the kids will win every time.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 05:03:56 PM PST

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        •  Sorry, I'm not communicating well. (1+ / 0-)
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          Subterranean

          That's the fundamental misunderstanding of reality: that people don't get that food and water come from the land.

           They think that what prevents them from getting adequate food, shelter, clothing is not having a job. Not that there quite literally won't be enough food.

          Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 05:22:52 PM PST

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