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  •  Putting the cart before the horse (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm going to suggest that the more fundamental problem is not public opinion about the pipeline. Rather, it is that the public doesn't understand climate change very well -- how it happens and the cause-effect relationship between extraction, burning, CO2 and a cascade of warming effects. The public also does not understand the state of development of alternative energy sources, nor how urgent the situation is.

    I think there is a potential tipping point in awareness and understanding of the mechanisms of global warming. If we can move a sufficient number of people to become informed about the nature of climate change itself, then opposition to projects such as Keystone will be almost automatic. The sentiment we should be encouraging is not just opposition to a pipeline; it's the belief that fossilized carbon needs to be left in the ground.

    We need to be working on several fronts -- legislatures, the media, etc. The project I have chosen for myself is to find venues where I can lead community-level discussion groups about how climate change works and what choices individuals and communities can make to address it. This spring, I'm working on developing a curriculum for a discussion series, which I hope to try out in the fall.

    I think churches might be a particularly attractive arena for holding these discussion groups, because stakeholders in church communities also are stakeholders in preserving the things that climate change would destroy. However, there are certainly other approaches to raise local awareness.

    (I'd love to see feedback in response to this comment.)

    •  I like it very much. (1+ / 0-)
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      Some of the curriculum material is probably developed. 350.org has stuff and I think there is a link upthread to a new source. (Going back to check it when finish the comments.)

      I think there could be another advantage to churches. A lot of people get really discouraged and depressed w climate change info. Having a faith based setting could help with that.

      Are a lot of people looking for info they can trust? How many have tuned out because of the polar differences in superficial mass media info? A church setting might bring some in who trust the denomination.

      Share w Climate Hawks when you get further. Probably could get some fine tuning assistance for different parts.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 04:26:07 PM PST

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      •  Thanks. Several points in response: (2+ / 0-)
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        Ginny in CO, boatsie

        Thanks for your reply and the good points you make.

        I'll try to find a way to bring something useful back to Daily Kos based on the project. That might include information about the curriculum, reports on how the discussion series goes, ideas about making it better, ways to pass the torch, etc. I'm specifically designing the curriculum to be appropriate for a church context, but obviously it can benefit from what others have already developed in other contexts. (Also, I'm not personally a church person; I just think churches are a good place to do the work.)

        How do I share things with Climate Hawks? I've never been clear on how the affiliation groups work here.

        I'm in CO too, and I'm going to visit a local meeting of 350.org folks next week to hear about what they're doing this year and to get their ideas.

        PM me any time if you have more ideas about whom I can connect with in CO.

        •  The Climate series for KXL (3+ / 0-)
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          is run by a group of climate groups. Check one of the  KXL series for contacts or go to the top of the page under DAILY KOS and click on Groups. You can locate the group(s) you are interested in to contact, join, etc. Contact is through Kosmail. People to contact is  somewhere in the blurb on what the group is about.  It's been awhile since I've been there.

          I am a Unitarian-Universalist, so an out of the box church person. Our churches are strongly involved in climate issues but could be a place to hold workshops or classes. The church office at the UN has an environmental dept that came up with 2 lists of answers to common, inaccurate talking points. One is very simple, the other a little more complex/scientific. All are one sentence.

          The local 350 group should be good. I get  email from the Denver folks. Today was a notice that Food & Water Watch Denver, is having another screening of Gasland 3/12. Not familiar w that group but 350 here does keep contacts with other env. orgs.  

          I have been dealing with financial and medical issues for several years, so have not been able to keep up or be as involved as I would like to be. Haven't given up and the climate issue is too misunderstood and important not to be doing something. (My ex is Env Eng, MS haz waste, Dad (PhD in P Chem) did R&D in building materials and went environmental in '70's, I'm an RN)

           The report by NAS and the British = should be good. Bookmarked+ saw your comment.  

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 06:37:33 PM PST

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        •  I do have to connect with you (1+ / 0-)
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          I've been working on designing a curriculum a template as it were that we will be using and adapting depending on venue.

          The first one is in a Yoga Studio. I can send along my 'Storify' ...

          I also have the idea for 350Kiosks which I have designed, portable edu posts kinda like old fashioned hot dog stands eqipped with solar powered tablets where peope can do interactives and find apps and watch video shorts. There would be kinda 'town cryer' impromoto edu moments througout day.

          Placed in malls, plazas, farmers markets, college campuses, whatever .. wherever

          I was thinking about diarying this to get input from community

          RIP Nelson Mandela

          by boatsie on Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 08:49:11 AM PST

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    •  Your second sentence is why I wrote in: (0+ / 0-)

      my post:

      The poll itself suffers, as do so many issue-oriented opinion surveys, not so much from bad questions as incomplete ones. It would, for instance, be useful to know what percentage of that 65 percent think human-caused climate change is happening. And how big a percentage know what tar sands even are. And it would be enlightening to know where they got their information about the tar sands and the pipeline.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:21:51 PM PST

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      •  By accident, posted before I was done... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...It's absolutely true that we need to be active along many fronts, and there are lots of people doing that. Keystone XL is just one place climate change activists are putting their energy.  

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:24:24 PM PST

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        •  we are starting here with core basiscs (1+ / 0-)
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          coming into the event, a questionnaire assessing people's level of literacy as they arrive.

          Most for example don't really know why CO2 and other GHG emissions are significant. They certainly don't know what 350 means

          RIP Nelson Mandela

          by boatsie on Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 08:43:23 AM PST

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          •  Yes, an initial questionnaire will be helpful... (0+ / 0-)

            ...for this kind of outreach.

            For what I'm working on, I think maybe a pre-/post-questionnaire would be appropriate, to evaluate and document changes in understanding, attitudes, motivation, etc.

    •  check out kitchen table kibbutzing and (1+ / 0-)
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      CupaJoe

      rememberance has been doing synagogue outreach. we have started work on this in 350 Marin ... i have a list of churches we are going to contact and we have begun sending PR to churches for education about fracking for the upcoming Sacto rally next weekend.

      Plus Climate Reality is going to be talking in churches

      RIP Nelson Mandela

      by boatsie on Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 08:40:24 AM PST

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