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  •  does that same critique (0+ / 0-)

    apply to:

    "providing for the common Defence"


    Is that really only a matter of Commerce?

    •  Read the Constitution. (5+ / 0-)

      This provision in Article I, Section 8

      The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
      Gives Congress the power to tax.  

      Congress' war and defense powers are contained in these enumerated powers contained in  Article I, Section 8:

      To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

      To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

      To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

      To provide and maintain a navy;

      To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

      To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

      To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

      If you want to learn about Congress' power to engage in war, raise armies, etc., see here and here and here or here for some discussion.
      •  Write your own (0+ / 0-)

        scholarly posts.

        Start holding class;  spread the wealth of your wisdom,

        in your own forum;  using your own coattails.

        I dare ya.

        •  You do not know whether I do that already, (6+ / 0-)

          of course.   There are all sorts of forums to do that, like publications in law reviews, teaching at law schools, speaking at various legal gatherings.  

          Since you don't know anything about me, I don't expect you to take my word for anything.  That's why I linked you to credible sources on the Internet, that you can read for yourself, showing that certain of your notions are clearly wrong as a matter of constitutional law.  It's not me you need to refute; I am only pointing out what all the credible interpretations of the Constitution say.

          I would prefer that you do some of that kind of research yourself before you post obvious falsehoods like the notion that the Copyright and Patent Provision gives Congress the power to control education.  

          •  I know your record (0+ / 0-)

            in forum of Daily Kos,

            and how you like to use my "Framing Rants"

            as a platform for your own scholarly diatribes.

            Seriously coffeetalk,

            I think many would benefit, if you took up that "education chore" here, under your own pseudonym.

            I'd read them.  Probably recommend some of them too, in that context.
            One that is not constantly "correcting" my rhetorical framing intent.

            •  Your misstatements of the Constitution are (5+ / 0-)

              counterproductive.  This is supposed to be a reality based site.  I do not think it is reality based to make arguments about what the Constitution does, or does not, provide that are provably incorrect.  I think you do a disservice to the community by promoting these notions that are provably incorrect.  Things like that have a way of becoming "truths" around here with some posters if they are left alone.  It is destructive to the political discourse if people begin any discussion based a false premise like some of the notions in this diary.

              You cannot expect to be able to post diaries about the Constitution that are provably incorrect (like the absurd notion that the Copyright and Patents clause authorizes Congress to control education) and then get offended when someone points out, while providing links to  authority, that you are wrong.


            •  I'm with coffeetalk here (5+ / 0-)

              Rants are one thing, but posting clearly debunked nonsense is quite another. Coffeetalk is taking the time to educate you about how the Constitution really works.

              Maybe the actual workings of the Constitution aren't popular and maybe posting inaccurate rants is a better way to get to the rec list.

              But you might listen to what she is saying and internalize it, because it will help you in the long run in achieving whatever your goals are.

              (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
              Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

              by Sparhawk on Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 10:48:02 AM PST

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        •  Your comment (1+ / 0-)
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          appears to assume that your diary is "scholarly."  If so, you don't know the term means.

          "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

          by Old Left Good Left on Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 04:59:38 PM PST

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