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  •  Do you think the US has a true democracy or free (2+ / 0-)
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    press?

    The US ranks 32nd in the world. It is outranked by Canada and Europe. During OWS, it fell from 20th to 42nd place with all the arrests of free speech activists.

    institutionalizing bigotry
    You need to look in the mirror. The US has States where bigotry is still institutionalized. Russia is now where the US was only a decade or two ago. Compared to Canada and Europe, the US is still in the dark ages.
    List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type

    Thirty-one U.S. state constitutional amendments banning legal recognition of same-sex unions have been adopted. Of these, nine make only same-sex marriage unconstitutional; seventeen make both same-sex marriage and civil unions unconstitutional; two make same-sex marriage, civil unions, and other contracts unconstitutional; two have been found unconstitutional; and one is unique.

    •  we were talking about russia (2+ / 0-)
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      Lawrence, Hey338Too

      which you curiously neglected to rank. but it's a cozy 148th on press freedom. and flail as you might, no state in the u.s. has anything remotely akin to russia's homophobic laws. do keep trying.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 12:17:13 PM PDT

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      •  It's all relative when you are using the good/evil (1+ / 0-)
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        dichotomy.

        it's a cozy 148th on press freedom
        It dropped for the very same reasons as the US's did.

        The American press has continued to replace political programming with entertainment content so it's "freedom of the press" is becoming moot. Russia will become the same as capitalistic corporatization increasingly takes over.

        russia's homophobic laws
        The devil's in the details. Here's one. It's legal for gays to donate blood in Russia. It's illegal in the US.
        List of countries with their stand on MSM blood donors

        In the US, the current guidance from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is to indefinitely defer any male donor who has had sex with another man, in the period from 1977 to the present day.

        •  oh gosh (1+ / 0-)
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          not being able to donate blood is like not being able to publicly discuss, much less publicly act on, same sex emotions. and yeah, the u.s. dropped to an egregious 102 points higher than russia.

          keep flailing.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 02:06:34 PM PDT

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          •  Look deeper (1+ / 0-)
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            8 U.S. States Have Anti-Gay Laws Strikingly Similar to Those in Russia

            Visitors to Sochi will be subject to the laws that forbid public demonstrations in favor of gay rights, disseminating materials in favor of gay rights, or so much as speaking in favor of gay rights. Since the laws' passage, violence against LGBT individuals in Russia has skyrocketed.

            While the situation in Russia is dire, it's hardly the only place to have instituted a law banning "gay propaganda." In fact, as a map from the Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network illustrates, eight U.S. states — Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, Louisiana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas and Utah — have laws banning the promotion of homosexuality in schools.
            ...
            The map makes it clear that when it comes to changing regressive laws designed to silence LGBT individuals and render them invisible, there's plenty of work to be done at home.

            As a Washington Post article details, the U.S. anti-propaganda laws range from stifling speech to actively promoting fear and misinformation in schools. Arizona and Utah, for instance, ban teachers from casting homosexuality in a positive light, while states like Alabama and Texas take things a step further, requiring educators to describe homosexuality as abhorrent to the general public and as a criminal behavior. (It's not — or, at least, it hasn’t been for a decade now. The United States belatedly legalized sodomy in 2003, a full decade after Russia did so.

            Let's be clear: the situation for LGBT individuals and allies in these eight states is nowhere near as perilous as that on the ground in Russia. For one thing, while the eight states' so-called "no promo homo" laws are preposterous, they're limited to restricting speech and instituting a chilling effect in schools. Even so, that doesn't excuse Americans from taking action against our own restrictive and intolerant policies, and setting an example for Russia and the world. Perhaps the Sochi Olympics can serve as a call to action not only against Russia's bigotry, but toward ensuring tolerance and freedom of speech both at home and around the world.

            •  oh gosh (1+ / 0-)
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              Lawrence

              we have eight redneck states. which restrict speech in schools, not, you know, everywhere.

              Let's be clear: the situation for LGBT individuals and allies in these eight states is nowhere near as perilous as that on the ground in Russia. For one thing, while the eight states' so-called "no promo homo" laws are preposterous, they're limited to restricting speech and instituting a chilling effect in schools.
              meanwhile, russia has an entire repressive country. keep flailing.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 03:35:06 PM PDT

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