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  •  While I agree with the ruling, I regret that this (6+ / 0-)

    was ever in the courts in the first place.

    Teachers and school administrators make a huge number of decisions each day, and inevitably some of them are stupid.

    Personally, I'd prefer the courts' time not be spent dealing with disputes where there is no significant damage to persons or property.  I can't see where the lives of these two students will likely be much impaired by whether they can or can't wear a bracelet.

    I worked for nearly a decade in the business office of a school which had a very relaxed dress standard when children (and their parents, generally) weren't on campus.  

    One day the administrator sent out a memo specifying that t-shirts were fine, but should not contain any writing except for those with various school slogans on them.

    I guess we could have taken him to court but pretty much everyone shrugged it off.

    •  There was an impact on the students (29+ / 0-)
      B.H. and K.M. stood firm, however, citing their rights to freedom of speech. The Middle School administrators were having none of it. They punished B.H. and K.M. by giving each of them one and a half days of in-school suspension and by forbidding them from attending the Winter Ball. The administrators notified the girls' families, explaining only that B.H. and K.M. were being disciplined for “disrespect,” “defiance,” and “disruption.”
      •  The "Winter Ball"? (10+ / 0-)

        What? :-)

        "If you lose your sense of humor, it's just not funny anymore" Wavy Gravy

        by offgrid on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 10:12:50 AM PDT

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      •  As I said, I think the administrators' actions (1+ / 0-)
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        were stupid.

        But I can't think of any high school social event which had a major impact on the rest of my life.  YMMV.

        I suspect the major thing they learned, or perhaps already knew, is that people make stupid decisions, or at least decisions which we find stupid.

        Courts may remedy the stupidity or add to it depending upon their ruling.  But, and I'm not familiar with the facts of the case, I assume that by the time the case was finally decided they had already missed the Ball so the remedy for them is whatever psychological impact being found "right" in a court provides them.

        Meanwhile, at another school a child is suspended for "violent actions" when he pointed his finger at another student and said, "bang".

        BTW, I don't mean to imply that schools are any worse than any other human organization at doing stupid things.  I could easily provide examples from private enterprise and churches that I've been at.

        •  You could read the opinion below (2+ / 0-)
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          Findlaw:

          Through their mothers, B.H. and K.M. sued the School District under 42 U.S.C. § 1983.5 Compl, ECF No. 1 ¶ 3, B.H. v. Easton Area Sch. Dist., No. 5:10–CV–06283–MAM (E.D.Pa. Nov. 15, 2010). They sought a temporary restraining order allowing them to attend the Winter Ball and a preliminary injunction against the bracelet ban. B.H. v. Easton Area Sch. Dist., 827 F.Supp.2d 392, 394 (E.D.Pa.2011). At the District Court's urging, the School District reversed course and permitted B.H. and K.M. to attend the Winter Ball while retaining the option to impose a comparable punishment if the bracelet ban was upheld. Id. The District Court accordingly denied the motion for a temporary restraining order.
      •  Sorry, as an educator, I can tell you (2+ / 0-)
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        that most of us hold the highest of standards for children and their learning. We try to keep the focus on learning and now, though I hate it, the state tests.  
        When the SCOTUS is reduced to discussing whether 'Boobies" are appropriate or not for school, free speech, it says more about our skewed culture than it does about free speech. Additionally, it diverts educators from our primary purpose, which is teaching and learning, and weakens our leadership.
        Furthermore, If we actually had adequate state systems for dispensing education on sexuality, reproduction, and parenting, these court cases would be irrelevant, because everyone would respect women's breasts and their function rather than scolding, fearing, adoring and wearing bracelets about them.

        It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

        by Desert Rose on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 06:37:49 PM PDT

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        •  + Signed an educator and mother of three women (0+ / 0-)

          It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

          by Desert Rose on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 06:40:23 PM PDT

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        •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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          This whole thing bugs me. The pink breast cancer awareness boondoggles that really only add to PR and profits, while putting very little in the way of money to the coffers... And yes, I'm offended by the idea of kids wearing "I love boobies" bracelets. It's vulgar and disrespectful, and has nothing to do with breast cancer. It's provocative and nothing more.

          I say if they told the kids to stop wearing the bracelets, they stop wearing them and they would have been able to go to their dance, and not wasted the court's time. Sorry, but I don't see this as any kind of victory.

          Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

          by La Gitane on Tue Mar 11, 2014 at 12:40:28 AM PDT

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      •  ah yes, the educator's "resisting arrest" (0+ / 0-)

        "You can't wear that."

        "It's my right to express myself."

        "Stop being disrespectful!"

        Reforms come from below. No man with four aces howls for a new deal.
        Keystone XL will raise gas prices!

        by Turbonerd on Tue Mar 11, 2014 at 07:14:01 AM PDT

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