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  •  You don't like gay marriage? (23+ / 0-)

    Don't have one.

    But don't tell people that their marriages can't be recognized under civil law because Jesus, who isn't even a United States citizen.

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Tue Mar 11, 2014 at 09:56:28 AM PDT

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    •  Using the power of the government (3+ / 0-)
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      and the courts to prevent people from getting married.

      I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

      by CFAmick on Tue Mar 11, 2014 at 10:05:04 AM PDT

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    •  But 50 years ago those values - that gay (4+ / 0-)
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      marriage was unthinkable - were enshrined in law, and only a small minority thought that ought to change.

      The law always reflects someone's values. The times, they are a-changin', and those whose values are being moved away from are finding that their expectation of the law reflecting their values are having a hissy fit.

      Purity is for primaries; in the general, our worst are better than their best.

      by blue aardvark on Tue Mar 11, 2014 at 10:25:48 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not sure Jesus would give a shit (4+ / 0-)
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      He is, after all, the guy who told people to forgive prostitutes, hung out with scummy pro-Roman tax collectors, said that one did not have to be a Jew to be a righteous person, and was thoroughly lower class. Please keep in mind that to upper class Romans and Jews, a manual laborer was the scum of the earth, just one slight step up from being a slave. Jesus lived just an hour's walk from a large Romano-Jewish city. He most likely earned a living doing construction work in Sepphoris, side by side with slaves. Some scholars think this exposure to "Otherness," the larger intellectual and religious world outside Judaism, was a major formative influence on Jesus' later teaching.

      There's a myth that all of Israel was leveled by the Romans in the Jewish Revolt. Nope. Maybe it's embarrassing to many evangelicals and right-wing Israelis, but support for the revolt was not universal. The majority of towns and villages in Galilee did not support the rebellion and were spared by the Romans, including Sepphoris. The Jewish rebels even went to the city, but the people of Sepphoris told them to fuck off. It was one of those freaky places where pretty much everyone was welcome, so long as they wished to live in peace with their neighbors.

      That's what Jesus grew up next to, that's where he worked as a young man, what inspired his ministry, a progressive liberal hell of peace and acceptance.

      Join Essa in a revolt against the gods. Continue the fight, Causality.

      by rbird on Tue Mar 11, 2014 at 10:49:45 AM PDT

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