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View Diary: Tenet, Anyone? 9/28/03 WAPO Source Rovelation! (must-read!) (101 comments)

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  •  Have a nice day (none)
    First of all, you made no mention of Bush consulting a lawyer in your original post.

    Second, in the June 3rd (not June 4th) Capital Hill Blue article that I think you meant to reference The article does state that :

    Sources within the investigation say evidence points to Rove approving release of the leak. They add that their investigation suggests the President knew about Rove's actions but took no action to stop release of Plame's name.

    This is the only article to my knowledge that quotes any sources saying that Bush knew before hand. The rest of this article essentially has what every other paper had that day, that Bush lawyered up. This is not news.

    Third, I know of no news source that mentions a shouting match between Bush and Tenet. If you have a source for this claim please post it.

    Fourth, I made no reference to any part of your post except to caution you about Capital Hill Blue. I did not imply in any way that Tenet was clueless.

    Fifth, down thread, another poster made the same observation about Capital Hill Blue that I did.

    nota bene said

    Treat anything from CHB as rumor (at best). Don't believe it until it gets confirmed someplace else.

    Sixth, The rest of your response appears to be a personal attack. I hope I've cleared that up for you.

    On June 4th 2004 Capital Hill Blue published this little gem.

    President George W. Bush's increasingly erratic behavior and wide mood swings has the halls of the West Wing buzzing lately as aides privately express growing concern over their leader's state of mind.

    In meetings with top aides and administration officials, the President goes from quoting the Bible in one breath to obscene tantrums against the media...

    Here's another good one from Capital Hill Blue July 2004

    President George W. Bush is taking anti-depressant drugs to control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill Blue has learned...

    "Keep those motherfuckers away from me," he screamed at an aide backstage. "If you can't, I'll find someone who can."

    •  Thank you (none)
      I'm not here to brief a case, but to enlarge my understanding of our plight as a nation.  So I feel free to extend my sources of information to arenas that perhaps would not cut muster in court.  Is this the spirit of your caveat?

      On the subject of serious, I realize it is a waste of time to seek the bottom of the rabbit hole until after the Rover is indicted.  But I believe Tenet saw down into it.  That's all I was trying to suggest.

      The first I heard of the shouting match was from Sherlock's post above.  I was merely joining up some personal dots.

      But my copy of the lead into the June 3 CHB article runs a little more credibly than yours:

      Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name to a journalist in an attempt to discredit her husband, a critic of administration policy in Iraq.

      Their damning testimony has prompted Bush to contact an outside lawyer for legal advice because evidence increasingly points to his involvement in the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's name to syndicated columnist Robert Novak.

      The move suggests the president anticipates being questioned by prosecutors. Sources say grand jury witnesses have implicated the President and his top advisor, Karl Rove.

      This is not mere child's play.

      But has Thompson juiced up the original since you grabbed your rather innocuous byte from him?  Or are you quoting downstream recaps and second-hand spin?

      I appreciate your need for utter accuracy.

      Be all that you can be: Work for peace - - Jesus (Mt.5:9)

      by Upstream Review on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 09:30:54 PM PDT

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      •  I was trying (none)
        to give you a head's up with the caution about CHB. There are a couple of other sources on the left that are also considered unreliable. Wayne Madsen is another guy who is considered less than reliable.

        You cannot go wrong with the big news outlets..  NYT, WAPO, CNN, AP..ect. Kos and most bloggers use the main news sources for their blogging citations.

        Link to the article and show the quote you want to disscuss.

        Basically, if you are stating your opinion, say so. No problem

        If you are speculating, guessing or getting theories from the mother ship just say so. Lots of people do.

        Things can be loose around here but if you read carefully you will see most posters sourse their factual remarks.

        I showed the last part of the CHB article because it mentioned sources. The article as I said is mostly what appeared in the main news cycle at the time.

        The material in this article that is different than what was been widely reported, is that witnesses have implicated Bush. This may be true, but I have not seen this claim reported anywhere else.

        You are right about my wanting accuracy. I like to speculate as much as the next guy, but when I want to discuss something in the news I almost always link to an article and show a quote.

        It occurs to me that you may not know how to show an active link or block a quote, if that is the case I would be happy to show you how it's done.


      •  Take a look (none)
        at this thread.

        This is an extreme example of people going to far with conspiracy theories. I am NOT saying you are doing anything like this... as a matter of fact every so often I like to speculate. I just thought you might find this interesting

        I made a mass banning of people perpetuating a series of bizarre, off-the-wall, unsupported and frankly embarassing conspiracy theories.

        I have a high tolerance level for material I deem appropriate for this site, but one thing I REFUSE to allow is bullshit conspiracy theories. You know the ones -- Bush and Blair conspired to bomb London in order to take the heat off their respective political problems. I can't imagine what fucking world these people live in, but it sure ain't the Reality Based Community.

        So I banned these people, and those that have been recommending diaries like it. And I will continue to do so until the purge is complete, and make no mistake -- this is a purge.

        This is a reality-based community. Those who wish to live outside it should find a new home. This isn't it.

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