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  •  How we he know? (33+ / 0-)

    I wish he would listen to Pope Francis a bit, but his real religion is Ayn Randism.  

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    by TomP on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:58:39 AM PDT

    •  PS, Republicans need to (43+ / 0-)

      drive white voters and they are trying to expand racism to do so.  Demonizing black sin the inner city worked in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s.  Hope it does not work now.  

      Ryan should put on his Klan hood.  Own his racism.

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      by TomP on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 09:00:00 AM PDT

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      •  It works in midterms... (20+ / 0-)

        Especially when the Dem candidates talk about 'bipartisanship' and 'solving the entitlement crisis'.

        “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

        by RichM on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 09:47:44 AM PDT

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      •  I live in the country and work in the city. (9+ / 0-)

        Ryan needs to get out more.

        I think there is way more people in the city working that in the country.

        First better education in the city.

        Second there is a redneck SSI culture that encourages young kids in the country to get a "Crazy check".

        Third more people earn money under the table in the country while collecting benefits but painting, dealing drugs and guns.

        Fourth in the country there are transportation barriers to working that city dwellers don't have.

        •  hmm... (1+ / 0-)
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          Sorry, but isn't this another dog-whistle? About "rednecks" and about entitlement free-loaders?

          Just sayin'...

          Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

          by ramara on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:13:13 PM PDT

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          •  I don't know. (0+ / 0-)

            I work passing out crazy checks and live in SSI country so my view may be skewed.

            •  I think it is. I worked in the mental health field (0+ / 0-)

              and if your reference to "crazy checks" means what I think it means you need to remember that a person can have a mental illness and seem just fine but they very often have set-backs I knew a schizophrenic who within a space of a few days got fired from his job and kicked out of his housing because people thought he was on drugs. So homelessness can happen THAT quickly. People with mental illness often react badly to stress and that may precipitate a breakdown.

              If you think people on SSI get rich off of $700 a month then I certainly do question your objectivity. Some may be able to work part-time but one thing I am critical of is that they are not allowed to make much money, at least the last I checked. I think it was less than a hundred dollars and then they would start taking money away from their SSI check. With SSDI, for people who had a job history they could make up to $700 a month without losing benefits.

              Again it isn't always possible to determine if someone is disabled, physically or mentally by looking at them. No one can see that I have fibromyalgia from just a glance, but I do have it. I would urge you to be less judgmental.

            •  One more thing you should know. It is not easy to (0+ / 0-)

              get disablity and most people get turned down the first time to discourage them from applying. Someone with a mental illness has to demonstrate that they are functionally disabled, and usually it takes more than a doc saying you need it. Hospitalization records and a qualified eval by a psychiatrist would most likely be needed. I get a little frustrated with people who think that these checks are just handed out without having good evidence to back it up.

      •  This (8+ / 0-)
        Ryan should put on his Klan hood.  Own his racism.
        I would have more respect for him if he did.  
      •  Oh please…. (0+ / 0-)

        I have no use for Ryan or his ilk, but there are constructive voices in the black community that recognize their IS a problem. Much of it can be attributed to the treatment the black community has received over the years, but it can't be dealt with until the black community and the country as a whole faces up to reality, without screaming racism at every turn. There is a culture problem, and it's a cancer on the inner city neighborhoods.

        •  Wow. There was a hotel in DC near whre I live (9+ / 0-)

          that advertised some lowpaying labor jobs and the lines were around the block. MOstly black men.  The place where I work advertised for entry level computer techs and hordes of young black men applied.  Most had gone to those awful kind of "We'll give you a career in computers!" for-profit "schools" that don't leave their students equipped to earn a damn thing. They're just a horrible rip-off of people who generally already have a poor education, the kind we provide to inner city kids -- so cynical, so cruel.

          The Urban Institute did a study sending out resumes for candidates, same grades, similar in all ways, but paired  black and white candidates in order to compare the results..  College graduates from good schools.  Guess what?  Whites were WAY more likely to get interviews and/or job offers.

          These are 3 big factors:
          -- lack of decent paying jobs in our economy that don't require a college education. They used to be pretty common; now they are rare.
          -- Crappy schools in inner cities, compounded by the scandal of for-profit "colleges" that rip people off, leaving them broke and still unemployable.
          --blatant discrimination that applies at all levels, from day-labor to jobs for people with masters' degrees.  That still exists, as more than one study has shown, even though most people think it's a thing of the past.

          You may be thinking o f research on "underclass" neighborhoods, where poverty is particularly intense and a large percentage of adults don't have jobs, and kids grow up assuming that they probably won't get one either.  If so -- yes, that does have a paralyzing effect on some, both in black underclass areas (primarily urban) and white underclass areas (primarily rural).  See research by Ron Mincy, formerly at ROckefeller foundation; don't know where he is now.

          But I see no sign that black men including poor black men have stopped wanting jobs, in the inner city or elsewhere.

          The voices I'm aware of in the black community are saying that there's a desperate need for a) JOBS, and b) Job Training.  And of course, decent schools.   If there are other voices I haven't heard, I'm open to being directed to them.

          But you're giving Ryan way too much credit.  He isn't talking about specific sociological problems.  He's using sweeping generalizations designed to suggest "black men," and declaring they don't want to work.  Which is a slander, and yes, racist.  It will rally the rightwing GOPpers who think the Democrats keep giving their hard-earned money to undeserving black people.

          Unemployment remains terribly high in the country as a whole since the 2008 crash.  And unemployment in the black community is ALWAYS higher than in the white community.  That's not a culture problem, on any wide-spread level.  It's a problem of structural racism, the kind that's built-in enough, tied in with various institutions (such as schools) enough that it's hard to resolve.  But it's not a measure of unwillingness to work on the part of blacks.  It's a measure unwillingness to change on the part of wealthy white institutions.

          --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

          by Fiona West on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 04:14:22 PM PDT

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          •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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            Very eloquent and helpful statement.

            it's not a measure of unwillingness to work on the part of blacks.  It's a measure unwillingness to change on the part of wealthy white institutions.
          •  add…. (0+ / 0-)

            There is no way to parse the ongoing effects of racism, from the endemic effects it has had on a community's culture over time. Both are a reality that only the blind or ideologically intoxicated would deny.  

            To ascribe the entire problem to "white" institutions is a form of racism in itself, akin to saying "you're too hopeless to make a difference in your own life, we have to do it for you".

            Lot's of voices have spoken up about the need for cultural change in the AA community, and black voices at that, but it won't happen until it's more broadly acknowledged. Right now,  issues such as these are so polarized, it just becomes another of the things to shout slogans about on talk shows. Ergo, a complete waste of time.

            •  Since only 4% of the population is on Welfare (0+ / 0-)

              and most not black and has work requirements this means that the problems are not as serious as Pubs are trying to make out. They are just teaching you and others to hate, while not doing a damn thing to help create better paying jobs for all of us, not just blacks.

      •  Only 4% of the population is on welfare (0+ / 0-)

        and there are work requirements. There is absolutely NO generational welfare. People cannot be on it for a total of 5 years in a LIFETIME. I am sure Ryan knows the stats so he is just LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH, exaggerating the problem.

    •  His real religion, I fear, is cold hard cash, (7+ / 0-)

      and lots of it.  He's not fooling anyone.

      The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

      by AnnieR on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 10:07:53 AM PDT

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    •  he knows the USS Wisconsin, a floating city (2+ / 0-)
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      by annieli on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 10:22:02 AM PDT

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    •  love to see Paul Ryan tried for heresy (11+ / 0-)

      Ayn Rand was openly anti-Christian and anti-Catholic; they could nail him on that alone.  Get some Jesuits to make him prove that he's not an atheist, materialist, etc. despite reading, praising, and citing as a moral and political guide a person who was.  Add her other beliefs which consistently and flagrantly both defy and condemn Catholic social teaching, and you have someone who at least needs a stern talking-to from his bishop.

      I would have zero problem with the Church denying communion to right-wing Catholics.  "We're not going to tell you how to vote and execute your duties as a government official, but as a member of the church we reserve the right to hold you to our standard of belief and practice nonetheless."

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 10:29:29 AM PDT

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      •  Then I guess... (0+ / 0-)

        you would have zero problem with the Church denying communion to left wing Democrats because of our support of gay marriage and abortion? Granted the Republican hypocrisy is blinding, but it's a dangerous precedent you are setting. I prefer keeping my religion and policy far apart. That's between me and Jesus (or whatever deity you believe in, or don't believe in).

        •  I think we'd come out of it on top (0+ / 0-)
          Then I guess you would have zero problem with the Church denying communion to left wing Democrats because of our support of gay marriage and abortion?
          Most Americans (and more than a few Catholics) for that matter have no problem with gay marriage or abortion.  If the Church pressed them on it, they'd only accelerate their own slide into irrelevancy.  People generally like religion and are prepared to aspire to an ideal self, ideal family, and ideal society ... but only if they're not going to get actively punished for not living up to that ideal.  A Church that offers nothing but obedience, burdens, risks, and guilt would only appeal to a handful of rigorous wealthy people who get to feel extra superior (and it helps that they can buy their way out of anything) and/or true fanatics who simply don't care about themselves.

          OTOH, seeing the Mammon-worshippers and social Darwinists get herded back into line with bishops' croziers would do enormous good for the country and the world ... or at the very least destroy the Catholic Church as a political force for good as the people prepared to use it to advance right-wing causes abandon it and demonize it.

          Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

          by Visceral on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 09:37:38 AM PDT

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    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      A Social Darwinist. The survival of the richest and let the rest die off.

    •  Exactly. Once a Randian . . . (3+ / 0-)
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      He doesn't give half a schpit about God.  He ought to be excommunicated.

    •  Paul hangs out with lots of inner city men? (6+ / 0-)

      Somehow I doubt that.

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      by Lefty Coaster on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 11:34:12 AM PDT

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