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  •  Don't really get the logic of that last sentence (1+ / 0-)
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    MichaelNY

    First, they wouldn't be told to stay the heck away, since anyone could still move in and out through the city's exceptionally dense public transport network, just like now. Secondly, it's especially "middle and low income persons" who would be using public transport anyway.

    •  It's far less expensive (0+ / 0-)

      for a family of four to drive into Manhattan and park for free (which, on the weekends, is quite easy) than to take, for example, New Jersey Transit. And the time savings of driving is enormous. Adding a $20-$30 fee could be cost prohibitive for some of middle and lower income.

      •  Rents are lower in New Jersey (1+ / 0-)
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        than in Manhattan, and driving has a cost - it creates pollution that causes excess deaths, especially when you stop, go, and idle in a densely-populated place like New York, and it increases greenhouse gases. And since it is not free for New York for you to drive in, why shouldn't it actually cost more for you?

        That's the argument, anyway. But we usually don't discuss issues except in terms of elections and campaigns in DKE diaries.

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 12:20:14 AM PDT

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      •  Park for free??? In Manhattan??? (1+ / 0-)
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        slipper

        Where?

        •  Can park for free on the Upper East Side (1+ / 0-)
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          MichaelNY

          or Upper West Side quite easily on the weekends. Harder in Midtown of course.

          •  I'm surprised! (0+ / 0-)

            Are there time limits?

            •  Not really (3+ / 0-)
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              There is a lot of free parking that simply is not available during certain hours of certain days, when they clean that side of the street. In some neighborhoods, it's quite difficult to get a free spot, but in others, it's not as hard. Someone once diaried the "Cost of Free Parking." The cost is that there are a lot of drivers driving slowly and idling on city streets looking for a spot, while the pollution gets into New Yorkers' lungs and goes into the sky. That has real costs.

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              by MichaelNY on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 12:03:36 PM PDT

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