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  •  I really don't think the ACA was the issue (4+ / 0-)

    The issue should have been the shutdown. This was a special election just months after a faction within the House majority used that majority - that it held despite losing the vote aggregate because of state lege redistricting - to create chaos and become really unhappy with its leadership because it didn't create more chaos.

    The issue is that over the last 16 years the GOP has established itself as spectacularly unfit to govern. It has governed anyway, but it is so bad at this point - paraphrasing the old editor joke - that even the other Republicans are noticing. The entire meme of working together in Sink's campaign suggests that the national GOP is worth working with. It really isn't. Conservatives are. Conservatism isn't the problem. rightists are the problem. Rightests housed by the Koch/Super-PAC/Turdblossom/ALEC cage and fed unlimited lettuce.

    Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

    by textus on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 05:46:42 AM PDT

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    •  Axelrod said it was - it boosted GOP turnout (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama campaign guru said the ACA WAS a factor in the recent Dem loss in FL-13, in the sense that it motivated the base GOP vote to actually go to the polls on election day (or vote early).  

      I fear we are being naive to dismiss the negative impact the ACA is having on Democrats in 2014.

      What scares me is that GOP groups are already spending millions of dollars (with tens of millions more between now and election day in November) attacking vulnerable Senate Dems for supporting the ACA and for "lying" about people being able to keep their current plans if they like them.

      The GOP must have polling data on that point - the Dem vulnerability of the "you can keep your plan if you like it" misstatement by Obama.  Why else would they be spending so many millions of dollars to repeat that point?  Anyone who travels to those states - LA, NC, AR, AK - will hear the ads over and over and over - and we are still 7+ months out from election day.

      •  But polling data for now (2+ / 0-)
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        doesn't equal polling data 6 mos from now.

        So if they're spending all this money now, and 6 mos from now you've got insurance, it's not costing you very much, you get your diabetes medication paid for, your kid gets their asthma medicine, your cousin gets their cancer treated, the cancer that only got discovered because they could FINALLY get a regular physical, do you really think that attacking somebody's support for that is going to work?

        Because that's going to be the reality in 6 mos. It's not quite NOW, because signups aren't over and not everybody has gotten their plans yet.

        But in 6 mos they will. And they'll realize that it's not going to hurt them financially, not like the GOP screamed it would. Nor is it going to keep them from seeing their doctor.

        •  I think it's safe to say that pasuburbendem1 (0+ / 0-)

          is right, that the ACA will continue to be successfully used to bring out base and I guess near-base GOP votes. My point is that opposing that opposition head on is not going to in itself do the same thing with the dem base and near-base. For one thing, pundits are mostly wrong, but they're right that it is a more complicated and nuanced argument that the ACA should be maintained, is working well, will as with all programs work better over time if given a chance, and at the very worst needs some fixing a year or two from now.

          The issue to bring out our base and near base, I think, is income equality and the havoc it is wreaking on everything else. How a fairer wage woyuld decrease the deficit because it would put money in the hands of people who actually pay their taxes, that it would reduce safety-net expenses and in fact there is something immoral about small-government conservatives paying their workers so little that they have to rely on a government net. Etc.

          But the raw meat is the dystopia that is the modern GOP. It is the cowardice in the face of the pornographer LaPierre, the bullying involved in the George Washington Bridge closing, the Issaism that really manages to defame Joseph McCarthy by associating him with it, the schism between Randianism and Catholicism. I could go on, but I'm sure most here could as well. If we attack this beast, we will get turnout. If we don't, I am not certain we deserve turnout.

          Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

          by textus on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:23:15 AM PDT

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