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  •  no, it's not that ... (7+ / 0-)

    there are definite GOP areas here ... it is the 3-generations removed-from-immigrant-status Irish and others ... and the D's need help.

    Cuomo is my governor. I fear the day the GOP gets it together enough to make common core/education reform an issue. Right now it's disparate groups Left and Right ... but the GOP could, if it wanted, could make hay here. It's an actual real-world example of " big-government interference."

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    by mightymouse on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 12:57:25 PM PDT

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    •  What would a GOP common core education (2+ / 0-)
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      reform look like? Are you saying common core is real-world government interference?

      I am thinking that the GOP on educational lines now would have to enact something that violated the separation of church and state. They can do it if people are ignorant enough but I wouldn't have thought NY State would be where they tried it.

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      by Marihilda on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 01:40:26 PM PDT

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      •  yes, that's exactly what I'm saying (6+ / 0-)

        teachers, parents, students all dislike the common core and related testing as it is implemented in NYS.

        and Cuomo of course supports it.

        The big D's are vulnerable on this one.

        An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

        by mightymouse on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 02:17:52 PM PDT

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        •  Hand it to the GOP to whine about something (4+ / 0-)

          That hasn't been implemented, yet. Most states have adopted it, but there are no curricula, yet, and the tests haven't been written - the earliest tests are expected to be ready is next year.

          That said, standardized testing of any kind, and particularly high stakes testing, is complete BS. It signifies nothing, while creating a tremendous opportunity cost by marginalizing students who might be very good at things not covered by the tests - and whose potential societal value is quashed by labeling them failures.

          It's nothing more than a very effective tool for implementing economic segregation.

          •  NYS it's being implemented (3+ / 0-)

            We are ahead of the curve here! cuz Cuomo is such a turkey.

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            by mightymouse on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 04:53:09 PM PDT

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          •  Common Core proponents will tell you (2+ / 0-)
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            that even students who excel at art or would be transcendent musicians, or who would rather be plumbers or electricians should be aware of and proficient in basic knowledge and skills.  And that's what their standards are promoting.  It's beyond reason to believe that students across the country are being taught the same rudiments to the same degree and are prepared for their futures.  And the only way to measure whether the education is successful is by testing.

            My problem with any and all of this is there are no safeguards - like armies of mentors and specialists and extensive referral services - available to those students who may be struggling.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 06:35:49 PM PDT

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            •  the tests suck and make the classroom boring (2+ / 0-)
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              just another excuse to waste time teaching to a test

            •  We became the most technologically advanced (3+ / 0-)
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              ... and most educated societies on the planet without standardized testing. The testing tries to homogenize a non-homogenous populace, and provides no useful metrics regarding student performance or capacity.

              As an example of how useless the tests are - the NECAP (yes, rhymes with kneecap) test in New England shows more than 50% of VT schools are failing. However, in international comparisons, the students in VT rank 7th in the entire world for best educated students. We have been consistently either 1st or 2nd in college attendance and success rates.

              If the testing had ANY value in describing how well educated students are by the time they graduate, the massive disparity between what the tests imply (our kids are uneducated) and the real world (among the most educated and most successful on the planet) would not exist.

              Standardized testing SOUNDS like common sense - but its lack of correlation to actual performance in the real world is an indicator that the hypothesis fails when tested empirically.

              At the same time, the myth that the US schools are failing is complete BS. They aren't, and they weren't. They were improving before NCLB was crammed down the throats of schools by the Bush administration on behalf of brother Neil's test prep company.

              the falling test scores which caused such an uproar were really a matter of an expansion in the number of students taking the tests. In truth, standardized-test scores were going up for every economic and ethnic segment of students—it’s just that, as more and more students began taking these tests over the 20-year period of the study, this more representative sample of America’s youth better reflected the true national average. It wasn’t a teacher problem. It was a statistical misread.
              As more lower-income and minority students were added to the testing cohort, the overall score dropped, even though the scores in every segment were rising. This is because the tests are biased against lower income and minority students, which guarantees that they'll get lower scores relative to more well-off students.
              Socio-economic bias masquerading as cultural diversity: The 2006 New York State Regents third grade reading practice test used the example of African-American tennis stars Serena and Venus Williams to ask children questions about tennis “doubles” and country clubs.
              And finally, with Common Core, they're recommending it for students in K-12, even though NO early education or early development experts have been consulted in defining the "core" for students younger than 4th grade.

              The test prep in our daughter's 1st grade class - for which they set aside 2 WEEKS of class time - was one of the reasons we decided to homeschool.  Now, without ever having taken a single test, ever, in his life (except the Chemistry SAT subject test), our son is preparing to go to college a year early. It's NOT the testing that ensures a quality education, it's a combination of caring support and access to varied, interesting concepts and activities - all of which are being REMOVED from our schools in favor of testing, test prep, and bland, mindless curricula.

          •  Common Core is widely implemented (1+ / 0-)
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            Especially on the state level
            and it is a disaster

            •  Race to the Top/No Child Left Behind (3+ / 0-)
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              Are widely implemented disasters.

              Common core will be a similar disaster, but it can't be implemented, yet, because no materials exist.

              States have voted to adopt it, and some may be trying to jump ahead of the curve by implementing what they think it's going to require, but they cannot actually be implementing it, yet.

              I'm deeply involved in revamping our local elementary school's curriculum at the moment, and am well aware of what is and isn't available, yet. We're using the lack of curriculum as an opportunity to implement a place-based, project-based, sustainability curriculum. When the CC curricula become available, we'll look to see if anything is "missing" and figure out how to make sure our students will "pass" the test, but we won't be holding the students' futures hostage to the test. Teaching to the test has failed, consistently, since the 1990s. It serves our students poorly: hampering real learning, and leaving them hating school.

              Don't mistake my rebutting the republicans as support for yet another of the right-wing's schemes to try to destroy public education.

        •  I was hanging out with a friend this weekend (2+ / 0-)
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          science and math specialist - learned some stuff about common core - seemed to be the implementation more so than the idea itself, according to my friend.

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          by k9disc on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 04:57:22 PM PDT

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    •  Where exactly in NYS is the GOP thriving? (2+ / 0-)
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      Sorry but that doesn't pass the smell test.  Sure little pockets exist but:

      Obama won NYS by over 25 points in 2012
      Gillibrand won by over 40 points in 2012
      Cuomo won by nearly 30 points in 2010

      I mean Dem congressional candidates got 57% statewide in 2010 which was a GOP wave nationally.  I think they even craked 60% in 2012.

      The GOP in NYS is D-E-A-D.

      "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

      by rdw72777 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 02:38:30 PM PDT

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      •  Not true (3+ / 0-)
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        Rockland Co exec - Republican
        Westchester Co exec - Republican (!!)
        Orangetown board - Republican
        NY State Senate - Republican

        there are plenty of other examples.

        they are doing OK in the lower races.

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        by mightymouse on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 03:03:18 PM PDT

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        •  I think you worry too much. (5+ / 0-)

          Yes, Cuomo is a conservaDem of the highest sort - a total Wall Street douchebag tool.

          And yes, some counties have (R) county execs.

          And yes, the Senate is (R) controlled.

          But that isn't the whole story.  Not by a longshot.

          Firstly - FUCK CUOMO.  Sooner or later the Democrats in this state that don't follow the inside baseball-type politics will wake up and see him for what he is.  In the meantime, our job is containment, and we can accomplish that by keeping the Assemblys feet to the fire.  Shelly Silver certainly isn't a joke, and he's surely no fan of Marios kid.  He just needs some political capital in order to beat Andrew back down to Earth.

          As far as the "Republican" control of the Senate - let's remember that's a Cuomo construct.  There are more Democrats in the Senate than Republicans.  The IDC - and Cuomos almost overt support of a Republican controlled Senate is the real problem.  Primary the Cuomo ass-kissing IDC nincompoops with real Democrats, and the problem is solved.  Skelos & co go back to being the minority they deserve to be.

          As for Republican county managers and Republicans at municipal level - that's a big yawn.  New Yorks suburbs and rural areas have  been largely Republican since... forever.  I'm from upstate.  The entirity of upstate outside of Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, and the other major upstate cities is pretty much solidly red - but has so little actual population as to not really matter in NY electoral politics.  You can see this in the makeup of the state Assembly - where Democrats not only rule, they dominate by a wide margin.

          So while there may be pockets of Republican dominance scattered about, they simply do not have the population needed to turn this state red, and no amount of Republican fear mongering and concern trolling on items like the SAFE Act and Common Core is going to change that.  They're simply preaching to the choir.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 03:40:05 PM PDT

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