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  •  Thanks for the link bob (23+ / 0-)

    True not shocking but as u say needs to get around more.

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    by Tasini on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 07:50:06 PM PDT

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    •  Frankly, I think it IS shocking every time I'm... (18+ / 0-)

      ...reminded of it. (I sincerely mean this.) One of the greatest travesties of our era, in fact.

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      by bobswern on Thu Mar 13, 2014 at 10:04:48 PM PDT

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      •  And one that history will marvel at (21+ / 0-)

        One of the greatest wealth transfers and swindles in history, encompassing real property, finance, mortgages, government and private insurances, and the securitization of bonds, the corruption of the deed recording process, the undermining of the finances of every town and city and country in the US from legitimate recording fees that were diverted and/or usurped -

        It's not possible to exaggerate the scope of the misdeeds and the amount of private and public damage it caused. I always wonder how many actual deaths could be laid to it from people who committed suicide after losing their homes through fraud and finding that literally no one in positions of power cared to help them.

        This complete disregard and abrogation of their duties by the Justice Department under the Democrats and Eric Holder and President Obama is one of the most major scandals in the history of our country. It has done more to undermine confidence in our entire system of justice than almost any actions or inactions in modern times.

        I dare someone to tell me I'm wrong.

        “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 06:27:23 AM PDT

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        •  It is a clear divorce from the purpose of (8+ / 0-)

          government. It is there, specifically, to protect us from this kind of waste, fraud, and abuse.

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          by k9disc on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 06:57:37 AM PDT

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          •  Seriously! (9+ / 0-)

            If there is a better example of malfeasance of government, I am not sure it I've seen it:

            One of the greatest wealth transfers and swindles in history, encompassing real property, finance, mortgages, government and private insurances, and the securitization of bonds, the corruption of the deed recording process, the undermining of the finances of every town and city and country in the US from legitimate recording fees that were diverted and/or usurped -

            It's not possible to exaggerate the scope of the misdeeds and the amount of private and public damage it caused.

            They oversaw this deliberate catastrophe and they did nothing to stop it.

            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

            by lunachickie on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:05:51 AM PDT

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          •  Here's my problem (13+ / 0-)

            President Obama is not stupid. He was one of the first to send out the public signals about "nothing to see here, unethical but not illegal" blah blah blah. He publicly said

            "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks".

            Eric Holder and Lanny Bruer said PUBLICLY that some folks/institutions were just too big and powerful to prosecute.

            This appears to be a POLICY position.

            And we put up with this? For unity as Democrats? To get someone more "better" in the future that recognizes the importance of the integrity of the Justice system in maintaining the social order?

            Who is that person?

            “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

            by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:12:24 AM PDT

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            •  That's a great point. And I'd like to add that the (4+ / 0-)
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              Administration kept regurgitating these lies about prosecuting those responsible for the economic collapse because the People of this country wanted to think real justice would be served.

              The fact that it really wasn't happening speaks volumes about who actually controls the gavels of power in this country.

              And it ain't Us.


              "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

              by Pescadero Bill on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:26:39 AM PDT

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              •  I actually thought the Republicans were going to (6+ / 0-)

                run populist in 2012. I think they will in 2016.

                They have to run populist, and perhaps they possibly are - I've heard a bit of a rumble on the big business democrats and corporate obama.

                It is an easy move to blame Democrats for not prosecuting banksters and 'other' bad financial actors.

                I think it's just a bit scary to go there, but they're probably going to have little choice, and it shouldn't be too hard to find some patsy's to take the fall and to re-regulate to bury or erase the malfeasance, past and future under the rubric of reform - heh, that root level hypocrisy is their MO - this is right in their wheelhouse.

                Cheery thought, eh?

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                by k9disc on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:36:53 AM PDT

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                •  optimism... (0+ / 0-)

                  no reason not to have it

                  but it's sad that we dont have somebody to pin it on...snacks

                  p/s I am not suggesting voting Republican.

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                  by snacksandpop on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 12:39:35 PM PDT

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                •  Populist- since vaxxers, creationists, HAARPists, (2+ / 0-)
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                  alien worshipers, born againers, and various other wacko freaked out identities have been getting so little shrift, short or otherwise, I think the only populism left is support for MJ legalization.

                  And I predict a giant campaign from HRC and the ThirdWayers™ to put on their Most Serious Faces and bray about 'I worry about the children'..which you already see in any article about recent and proposed MJ legalization is some pompous fuck sticking his or her chest out and sqweeking  'I worry about the kids'...and 'responsible legislation';.

                  How come we have such a big fucking need to study and make SURE we have Responsible MJ Legislation and as yet no one and I mean NO one who matters has gone to jail for mortgage fraud, for one small example of needed Responsible Legislation and actual enforcements.
                    They didn't even feel us enough to trot out some patsies, no usual suspects. A few tax deductible token fines.
                    Some stupid kid gets caught selling pot, 2/5/10/20 years in jail, more and more for sure if he's black, 4:1,..Wells Fkg Fargo and the others get 'caught' for money laundering millions and millions of $ of Mexican drug money, and probably financing black ops and Al Queda at the same time..and get fined a few measly million, tax deductible and a mere pittance.

                  And now we are going to recycle the whole mess again and have to listen to the same horseshit again and again.

                  It is pathetic.

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                  But I'm not bitter.

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                  by KenBee on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 01:05:18 PM PDT

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            •  Hillary, silly. She'll pave the way for your (1+ / 0-)
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              quality of life ponies and your civil rights unicorns.

              Just hold your nose and click your heels 3 times, and poof, we'll be on our way to a bright and shiny future.

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              by k9disc on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:30:53 AM PDT

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            •  There is an interesting book (8+ / 0-)

              by Suskind called "Confidence Men."  It focuses on Paulsen's work in the White House, and how the perception of Americans that banks are stable became more important than anything else. This is the logic:

              1. If the Too Big To Fail banks collapse, then we are looking at catastrophe on a global scale which will make this recession look like the good ol'days.

              2. Banks fail when people believe that their money is not safe.  People lose confidence, withdraw their money and stop investing.

              3. Therefore, it is paramount that the banks be percieved as trustworthy, and that punative action does not imperil their bottom line.

              The problem (there are a few) is that banks are not the only institutions that rely on confidence, and that one should not  pump up confidence in one institution to the detriment of other, equally important institutions.  What happens when people lose  confidence in the Justice System?  

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              by Reepicheep on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 08:03:50 AM PDT

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          •  No, it's pretty in line with the historic purpose (6+ / 0-)

            of government.

            Too many liberals forget that government is generally not good and has not been good. Just because it can be good doesn't mean it has been.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:37:25 AM PDT

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            •  And how to sell a bigger government when it (3+ / 0-)
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              has not been good? Why do you think the 'government should be small enough to drown in the bathtub' idea the right pushes gets any credibility whatsoever? Because most people now believe that government and its cronies are corrupt and everyone must look out for themselves since government is not looking out for the little guy. This is why republicans win on these arguments...because people don't trust government. Reagan may have started the meme of less government but government hasn't done the Democrats any favors in falsifying that idea on a grand scale. And now folks believe it's just the way it is and have become apathetic toward a fairer system. Just my opinion.

            •  A government only serves those with the most (2+ / 0-)
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              influence over it.

              I'd say, whether or not a government is good or bad is more a reflection of the society.

              Right now, and throughout periods in our history, our society is filled with self-centered, greedy, people bloated with a sense of exceptionalism, elitism and ruthlessly trying protect the money they've managed to hoard and the power they have that enabled it. And who can muster enough people to win elections. That doesn't mean a majority, but simply a majority voting bloc.

              Our government merely reflects the influence of those people. If we want to change it, we have to change the prevailing mindset of a fairly large percentage of people within our society. Enough to overwhelm the minority that wields the power and influences elections.

              And I'm not even talking about GOTV efforts so much as a national psyche change to one of compassion and concern for matters beyond one's immediate personal needs.


              "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

              by Pescadero Bill on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 08:48:44 AM PDT

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            •  really? (1+ / 0-)
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              because that sounds a lot like the worst lie Reagan ever told. Not to mention it flies in the face of everything I though 'progressive' is supposed to mean.

              What's your alternative? Liberatarian nonsense?

              Der Weg ist das Ziel

              by duhban on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 09:14:26 AM PDT

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              •  If you want to ignore what government has actually (2+ / 0-)

                has been used for because you think it can be used for good then you are free to do so. Historically government has been the perpetrator of some of the worst evils in history. To claim that government can do good one must make it do good, not ignore the bad that it has done.

                As long as the government continues to protect bankers, and do other bad things, people will distrust government. If you think that being a liberal means approving of the government no matter what then you've got a piss poor political ideology. Saying that government can do good is completely different than the government actually doing good. That's my point.

                If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                by AoT on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 09:19:34 AM PDT

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                •  that's not what you said (1+ / 0-)
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                  This is what I am objecting to and asking for clarification on

                  Too many liberals forget that government is generally not good and has not been good. Just because it can be good doesn't mean it has been.
                  If you want I'll bold the parts where in you call the government generally not good and has not been good. That sounds uncomfortable like the infamous lie Reagan poisoned the last 30 years of American life with.

                  And are you really suggesting that so long as the government only does one thing it will instantly be good? Do you not think that's a rather stark black and white way of thinking about it? What about all the other things the government is doing and has done? Do those not count because they're not your number 1 focus?

                  Der Weg ist das Ziel

                  by duhban on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 09:25:21 AM PDT

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                  •  Americans in general, and especially liberals (2+ / 0-)

                    see what happened under the Warren court and during the civil rights movement and see that government can do good and expand that to say that government does good. A lot of what the government does isn't good. The drug war is a great example.

                    That sounds uncomfortable like the infamous lie Reagan poisoned the last 30 years of American life with.
                    What lie was that?
                    And are you really suggesting that so long as the government only does one thing it will instantly be good? What about all the other things the government is doing and has done? Do those not count because they're not your number 1 focus?
                    I have no idea where you got this from. This isn't about my number one focus, this is about the claim that the government is good. The government has not been good historically. Even democracies are historically pretty damn oppressive. That's why things like the civil rights movement and women's suffrage were fight against the government. There are certainly some good things that governments have done, I've never denied that.

                    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                    by AoT on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 09:41:55 AM PDT

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                    •  the government has always been a mixed bag (1+ / 0-)
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                      but then anything designed and ran by people will be that way. But you seem to reject the good done by the government even recently never mind the past goods.

                      From Reagan:

                      The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

                      As to where I got that from

                      As long as the government continues to protect bankers, and do other bad things, people will distrust government.
                      This to me sounds like binary thinking. Nothing will be good enough until (fill in the blank). Which in this case is the bankers are punished 'enough'. I'll agree with you that all in all what Bush and the GOP did especially Obama having to be the one to fix it all was so crappy words defy characterizing it. However there is a lot of good that has been done here outside of that one topic.

                      And honestly I do not see you acknowledging that. Maybe I am reading your words wrong and that is why I am trying to just ask questions and let you explain. But that is what I am seeing.

                      PS It's a bit off topic but I do not entirely agree with your characterization of democracies as oppressive. Yes all democracies have their flaws but most often those flaws can be corrected though the mechanisms of democracy. Truly oppressive governments do not have these mechanisms or even allow for change. Russia and China frankly spring to mind if you want current examples of oppressive governments.

                      Der Weg ist das Ziel

                      by duhban on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 10:23:09 AM PDT

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                      •  "But you seem to reject" (3+ / 0-)

                        Where did I say anything about rejecting the good things the government has done?

                        This to me sounds like binary thinking.
                        Welcome to the real world. Most people think in binary, thus most people will view government as either good or bad.
                        Nothing will be good enough
                        So you think the government is good enough? You think that bankers have bee punished enough? We live in a country where the government supposedly reflects the will of the people, so when the people think the government is doing the wrong thing it's suppose to be a problem. Again, you're ignoring the bad parts of the government because the government can do good. But the government generally is doing some pretty horrible things.
                        PS It's a bit off topic but I do not entirely agree with your characterization of democracies as oppressive. Yes all democracies have their flaws but most often those flaws can be corrected though the mechanisms of democracy. Truly oppressive governments do not have these mechanisms or even allow for change. Russia and China frankly spring to mind if you want current examples of oppressive governments.
                        I consider the drug war to be massively oppressive, and the fact that other countries may be worse is beside the point. The US was a democracy when the genocide of the American Indians happened, as it was when slavery was still the law of the land. My point was not that democracies are horrible, just that democracies can also be oppressive, and often are.

                        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                        by AoT on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 10:35:53 AM PDT

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                          Where did I say anything about rejecting the good things the government has done?
                          You have written a great deal about what is wrong about government even saying that 'generally it does not do good and has not done good'. I have yet to see you write anything about the actual positives or even acknowledge any specifics.
                          Welcome to the real world. Most people think in binary, thus most people will view government as either good or bad.
                          Appealing to popularity doesn't make you right even assuming your statement is correct. I do take this statement to mean though that my understanding of your past statements is correct and that this is binary thinking on your part. Thank you for the clarity.
                          So you think the government is good enough? You think that bankers have bee punished enough? We live in a country where the government supposedly reflects the will of the people, so when the people think the government is doing the wrong thing it's suppose to be a problem. Again, you're ignoring the bad parts of the government because the government can do good. But the government generally is doing some pretty horrible things.
                          I think there will always be room for improvement. I think that life is a struggle both on a personal level and on the level of government. I believe that struggle defines us, makes us stronger or breaks us. I also believe that while things will probably never be good enough we can not be consumed by that. There will always be a part of me that is absolutely seething with rage at what a bunch of (at best) clueless, foolish, arrogant assholes did to our economy. And if they did it willfully, maliciously? Well words will never be enough to describe my sheer fury.

                          I will not allow myself to be consumed by those emotions though. I recognize them, accept them as my own and rise above them. Perhaps those responsible will not get their karma perhaps they will; either way I refuse to accept binary thinking. I refuse to be consumed by my emotions, it serves no purpose and does no good.

                          I consider the drug war to be massively oppressive, and the fact that other countries may be worse is beside the point. The US was a democracy when the genocide of the American Indians happened, as it was when slavery was still the law of the land. My point was not that democracies are horrible, just that democracies can also be oppressive, and often are.
                          I can see your point there however the drug war while idiotic is winding down. The will of the people is doing that. I have little doubt that as Colorado and Washington prove to be huge success stories more states will move to follow their example. Contrast that though with actual oppressive governments  like Russia. Can you seriously imagine Putin allowing a regional government to challenge the national government? Can you seriously imagine a regional government being allowed to set policy to the extent Colorado and Washington are?

                          Der Weg ist das Ziel

                          by duhban on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 11:01:20 AM PDT

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                          •  First off, not talking abut what the government (1+ / 0-)
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                            does right is not rejecting what the government does right. And I actually do talk about what the government does, or can do, right. Go check out my comments in the front page diary about Obama taking action on for profit educational institutions and student loans if you want an example of that.

                            Appealing to popularity doesn't make you right even assuming your statement is correct. I do take this statement to mean though that my understanding of your past statements is correct and that this is binary thinking on your part. Thank you for the clarity.
                            I'm appealing to popularity because that's how democracy works. I'm not saying that I think it's a binary, I'm saying that's how most people approach the issue and as such it helps to approach it in that way. The fact that Reagan's appeals worked is evidence of that fact. What I'm saying is that when liberals say that the government can do good people are going to see that in a binary manner and treat it as true or false in a binary manner. When people distrust the government they will say, no, the government is bad. And the fact that I get attacked here as a libertarian for pointing out that the government does some horrible things shows that even here people work under that binary.

                            In regards to emotions, I have to deal with the aftermath of the bankers actions on a daily basis in a way that affects me on a deep personal basis. You ma be able to separate yourself from your emotions about what is happening in that respect but I don't have that option, I'm continually reminded.

                            And yes, Russia is less democratic and generally more repressive than the US. But you've mistaken the fact that the US is improving with the idea that democracies always improve. I'd say that isn't true, and it's only thought of as true because of the last 60 or so years in the US and Europe. That's the myth of progress, that it's inevitable. But it isn't.

                            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                            by AoT on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 11:19:04 AM PDT

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                          •  .... (0+ / 0-)
                            And I actually do talk about what the government does, or can do, right. Go check out my comments in the front page diary about Obama taking action on for profit educational institutions and student loans if you want an example of that
                            Fair enough I honestly doubt that I see even 15% of your comments. All I can do is react to the comments I see you write.
                            I'm appealing to popularity because that's how democracy works. I'm not saying that I think it's a binary, I'm saying that's how most people approach the issue and as such it helps to approach it in that way. The fact that Reagan's appeals worked is evidence of that fact. What I'm saying is that when liberals say that the government can do good people are going to see that in a binary manner and treat it as true or false in a binary manner. When people distrust the government they will say, no, the government is bad. And the fact that I get attacked here as a libertarian for pointing out that the government does some horrible things shows that even here people work under that binary.
                            Popularity isn't always how democracy works (witness the popularity of raising the minimum wage for example). It would be more precise to say democracy works by people expressing their political will though voting. Thankfully most of our positions are popular however that popularity does not automatically transfer them into being. People must vote they must exercise the rights and obligations they hold.

                            I don't really see binary thinking helping that. Not to mention that binary thinking is truthfully overly simplistic. People do good things and bad things all the time for a wide range of motivations that could be acceptable or not to any one person.

                            I truthfully do no know if you are a libertarian. I do know that you at times have used arguments in line with libertarian views on government. I don't really view that as attacking you. Yes I vehemently and stridently am opposed to libertarian views on government.  But I simply think them wrong, not evil or anything like that. And just my opinion but people have a right to their views especially those I think wrong. Mostly I'm just trying to understand your position. We might not ever agree on much AoT but I would at least like to know what it is your are saying. Anything less is binary thinking and I strive to avoid that.

                            In regards to emotions, I have to deal with the aftermath of the bankers actions on a daily basis in a way that affects me on a deep personal basis. You ma be able to separate yourself from your emotions about what is happening in that respect but I don't have that option, I'm continually reminded.
                            If it sounded like I am judging you my apologies. I assure you I am not. I do not agree with that outlook but if it works for you then it works for you.  I offer sincerely the advice that if you let it affect you too much you will burn out. Some people can harness their emotions and ride the edge of them. I can not. Out of everything I have ever done the only things I truly regret are those I have done when I allowed my emotions to hold sway. Thus my outlook on life. I simply ask though that just as I do my best to respect your outlook on life that you do the same.
                            And yes, Russia is less democratic and generally more repressive than the US. But you've mistaken the fact that the US is improving with the idea that democracies always improve. I'd say that isn't true, and it's only thought of as true because of the last 60 or so years in the US and Europe. That's the myth of progress, that it's inevitable. But it isn't.
                            Government is not math. I simply can not prove that the US government or democracy in general will always improve. I can though look at the history of the US and point to over 200 years of continually improving government as compelling evidence. After all when the US was founded you had to be white, male and a land owner to vote. Oh and you could not have ever been a slave or indentured. Never mind the various poll taxes, literacy tests and religious tests that were around. Today none of that holds. I'll give you it is maddeningly slow, that often it takes generations but I will not concede that we have not been progressing.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 01:55:35 PM PDT

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        •  Right on Phoebe! (3+ / 0-)

          None of the people who caused this, or who stood silent and allowed it to happen, should get a pass.


          The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. - Pangolin@kunstler.com

          by No one gets out alive on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:23:42 AM PDT

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        •  The only thing I'd say might have a similar (2+ / 0-)
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          punch would be Bush v Gore.

          Not as immediately destructive in people's personal lives, but an extremely vivid instance of "justice" driven by partisan political loyalties and personal gain.

          Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:27:17 AM PDT

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        •  Amen!!!!! n/t (0+ / 0-)

          An idea, to be suggestive, must come to the individual with the force of revelation. William James

          by agincour on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 03:02:56 AM PDT

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      •  Apparently, bob, you haven't reached the point (2+ / 0-)
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        I have. I'm not shocked by the malfeasance at Justice. I'm shocked that the Inspector General is doing its job and apparently cares somewhat about the American people, the truth, and the law.

        Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:24:58 AM PDT

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      •  Cue for somebody to come on here and talk (0+ / 0-)

        about how wonderful Eric Holder is on voting rights.

        Then to carry the discussion into a fight over whether voting rights or putting Wall St back on its chain is a more important issue.

        Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:25:51 AM PDT

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        •  SLMD, it's not an "either/or" proposition... (4+ / 0-)

          ...on very many social issues, this administration's been great. But, when one f*cks with the status quo's unbridled greed (which, btw, happens to also massively undermine equality--not just economic equality--across-the-board), that's another story, altogether. (Like financial/white collar crime legislation, and all law, a society may legislate anything it wishes. After the fact, it's how well those laws are regulated/enforced that really matters.)

          Of course, when one does a deeper dive, it's kind of enlightening to argue about the effectiveness of the administration's social policies when the same government is concurrently doing little or nothing to effectively deal with overarching economic policies, and the "quieter" but quite devastating effects those economic policies are having on many social issues, as well. (Just a few examples: unwilling to fight for and the properly distribute $50 billion set aside for mortgage mitigation from the original TARP bill [gov't only spent <$7 bln of those originally-allocated funds]; turning the other way as our banks laundered close to $1.5+ trillion in drug cartel, etc., money; undermining public ownership of education, infrastructure; unashamedly being guided/controlled by the five corporate gangs that, literally, run our society, completely at the expense of the 99%; and so on...)

          File it all under the extremely accurate labels of "INVERTED TOTALITARIANISM" and "MANAGED DEMOCRACY". (People don't like those terms, but [IMHO] they're definitely the most accurate descriptors as to where our society's "evolving," and has been evolving, for more than three decades.)

          "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

          by bobswern on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 08:31:39 AM PDT

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            Sorry, I guess I should have put a /snark tag or something, though it wasn't exactly snark.  

            As someone who was living in Duval County, FL during the 2000 elections, voting rights are extremely important to me.

            My comment was that the people who defend Holder or the Administration usually  want the discussion to be governed by an either-or proposition:

              either deal with economic injustice or racism (that's a weird one);

            either deal with LGBT rights OR homeowner's rights;

            either deal with voting rights OR the control of our politics by the uber-wealthy.

            That binary thinking is the yellow brick road that leads to the Emerald City of the following talking point:  "You don't care about (racism, sexism, LBGT rights, voting rights, fill in the blank with whichever social issue the Democrats have been even marginally good on in the past 5 years)! You want to abandon those fights! You're (racist, sexist, homophobic, a Naderite, a Paulite, unappreciative of the many sacrifices made for the extension of the franchise, fill in the blank with whatever pejorative fits the occasion)."

            Once you reach the Emerald City, it's fairly easy to bellow at whatever Dorothy has managed to make her way there and browbeat her into shutting up and going away. Or if she remains spunky and pulls the curtain down, just keep bellowing. What can she ultimately do but leave? Stand there and try to out-shout you?

            Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 08:50:59 AM PDT

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      •  A true abdication of responsibility (3+ / 0-)

        There are a lot of things that this administration has done that may be debatable but I think that, by far, the most egregious and the most indefensible is the failure to prosecute those who created and profited from the financial disaster that was created by the mortgage fraud schemes.  Schemes hatched by the powerful and greedy without regard for the damage they would cause.
        This Justice Department, in my opinion, is every bit as corrupt and incompetent as any in recent memory...seriously.  That's a pretty damning assessment.  Holder and company have pretty much failed every step of the way when it comes to enforcement which could and should result in prosecutions.  
        It's no wonder that Democrats can't take advantage of the sad state of the republican brand; ours isn't measurably better especially in one of the areas where so many have been financially devastated.  Shameful, just shameful.

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