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  •  So it has come down to this: (4+ / 0-)

    Obama is either an idiot ... or just another amoral, lying, crime-enabling Big Bank lackey.  I used to believe the first.

    •  Hmm, this could be an eye-opening experience (4+ / 0-)

      that anybody who reaches the level of being a viable candidate for POTUS, which can only happen with the behind-the-scenes approval of the Powers-that-be, they are heavily, heavily compromised.

      I mean really, when it costs something like $1 billion dollars to run a presidential campaign, how could it be any other way?

      •  It doesn't cost that much, it's how much it costs (4+ / 0-)

        to move political markets.

        That number you cite makes me so angry. I don't donate money to campaigns. I volunteer, but they never get back with me for some reason.

        The money=speech line that Democrats have bought into has been of great detriment to our society and to the ability of the Democratic party to represent US citizens.

        We don't need a billion dollar campaign, we need 50 million engaged Americans.

        I believe that could be done with zero dollars. We've got to get away from the pocket book and start pushing health and wellbeing.

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:16:50 AM PDT

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        •  But in a way that only makes it more (1+ / 0-)
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          frustrating.

          But to first do the accounting - 50 million people spending one hour, at $20/hour,  essentially works out to the $1 billion figure I mentioned (you know, the time = money way of thinking).

          And if that happens, there still is going to be the need for some $$s - for example, you can't completely eschew TV (or internet, or whatever) advertising.  So let's say somebody sets up Super-Pac (or whatever the mechanism-of-the-day might be) and puts $100,000,000 into the effort.

          IOW, it's a combined $1.1 billion effort - but once this strategy "works" - who is the POTUS going to listen to?  My bet would be on the one person/entity behind the SuperPac, not the 50 million ordinary people who contributed time.

          Essentially that's what happened in the 2008 election.

          •  I know, man, but screw that money math. (2+ / 0-)
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            It's not about money any way you look at it.

            If it is about money, we lose, and that's a fact. That's the fact we've been facing my whole political life. The fact we were left with when Clinton pursued corporate sponsorship as savior of Democratic electoral prospects.

            You can have a money party or a people party, but you can't have both.

            Check this out:
            http://historymatters.gmu.edu/...

            That's the Cross of Gold Speech. Know what's missing? Any mention of cost. There's no money based language or metaphor in it.

            I'm pretty sure it was well studied, too, as it is applied to all economic discussions today. Funny that you'll hear about the health of the market and will hear about the cost of healthcare. You will have moral and fundamental arguments in favor of the market, but humanity is subject to market fundamentals and ascribed dubious morality.

            The future of progressive policy is in people. Health, wellbeing, and fairness - these are the metrics of humanity.

            Life may not be fair, but our laws and elections should be.

            Don't vote for the person with the most money. That person has been paid to stack the deck against you.

            Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

            by k9disc on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:59:01 AM PDT

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        •  Rip a page from Paul Wellstone and Bill Proxmire (3+ / 0-)
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          These senators won in spite of the fact they ran shoestring budget campaigns and were outspent by opponents by ratios of 7:1 or more. They ran against the money and were inspiring populists.  Wellstone in particular inspired young people and working class people and had previously worked on union strikes and campaigns. I worked on Wellstone's initial campaign in 1990   and it was truly inspiring.

          •  I think saddling the biggest moneygrubber with (1+ / 0-)
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            corporate sponsorship - perhaps always logo his suit in images - and pushing the idea that the more money they have, the more compromised they are is a big deal for changing our politics.

            Peer pressure is a bitch. These people who pull in millions and hundreds of millions are not working for us. They are working for their sponsors - those people who supplied the millions.

            You can do that getting beat up on donations 7:1, and I'd argue that today you could do that with less.

            It really requires a shift in focus, but once it starts, it's going to leave a huge trust deficit for corporate sponsored pols to overcome, and provides a big fat blinking neon arrow on their corporate sponsored policy offerings, "I'm a tool!".

            Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

            by k9disc on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:42:48 AM PDT

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          •  It's a bit harder now. (2+ / 0-)
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            Increasing media consolidation.

            Anybody who genuinely wants an electoral solution needs to be working on the issues which make low-budget campaigns unworkable. Also on the institutional structure that determines the Party's choice of candidates and protection of incumbents.

            Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:48:04 AM PDT

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            •  Door to door retail politics (1+ / 0-)
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              And the liberal use of unorthodox tactics like silent agitators, guerrilla theatre, and jujitsu techniques like using their money against them. Its hard work but a dedicated group can easily work neighborhood by neighborhood to get the word out. Americans distrust of all elite institutions are at all time highs and that even extends to the for profit corporate media.  Messaging in strategic locations (silent agitators) and actually spending face time with people is unexpected and can upend the top down corporate politics.

              •  I agree with you, but I feel strongly (1+ / 0-)
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                that this sort of thing needs a top-to-bottom strategic analysis and a resulting battle plan:  a plan that can include tactics like you describe. A plan that is applicable nationwide, but also bendable and malleable enough that it can be tailored to the locality ("no cookie-cutter campaigns" is one of the most valuable early lessons I learned as a campaign worker).

                It's way beyond time that the left withdrew into itself and had this discussion and formulated a plan. Waiting for the Democratic party to do so has not worked out too well. Running around on defense trying to put out fires hasn't worked too well either.

                Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 08:12:15 AM PDT

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