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  •  I think the biggest worry about Millennials (11+ / 0-)

    is that they're just not going to wait for the Democratic party to go back to its historic 20th c. roots in economic justice and equality. They'll just stop voting like most everyone else who is just trying to keep a roof over their heads. 99% of the problems you mention in your post would be solved by expanding the Great Society. But where do we find a Democratic Party talking like that?

    Folks around here thinking that demographics alone are going to keep Democrats in office are whistling past the graveyard. The party has got to get beyond its sclerotic 1990s DLC-third way hangover and make something of itself again.

    [And, if anyone wants to believe that HLC represents some way of doing that, I'll be more than happy to bet you that Millennials will be even less a percentage of the Democratic Party when she assumes office than when she leaves. 16 years of two presidents failing to Go Big on economic justice is going to kill whatever is left of millennials and Latinos---And you can also bet that GOPers will finally figure out populism again when Dems don't.]

    •  I have three siblings who are millenials (7+ / 0-)

      Guess how many vote? Two. One voted for Ron Paul because he thought he was a more "Left" candidate (he's the youngest sibling).

      Guess how many are extremely political? All of them. We're all extremely political in my family.

      I couldn't agree more that you're right that we can't take demographics for granted. And also, no, younger people aren't inherently political. They're pretty apathetic in many cases. I work at a University and have about 100 students who are 18-22ish. When I talk about politics in passing, or even things happening in the news, few have any idea about this. I just taught a class on Wednesday of 25 students who weren't aware of the Ukrainian-Russian conflict. I asked why. They said because they didn't read the news. I recommended they do that.

      That's what we're going to be up against. Know it and yes, we need to learn from it well.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 05:23:28 PM PDT

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    •  You're right (5+ / 0-)

      Demographics alone won't solve the problem.

      And I agree that we've got to go big. Great Society big. I'm with you all the way on that.

      But I think the only way we can do that and make it stick is through the Democratic Party, reforming it, taking it over.

      And yeah, the change might be too slow to capture Millennials. At least, right now.

      But I just don't see a viable alternative. Dropping out of the political system isn't going to do it. Historically, third parties haven't been able to do it.

      Imperfect as it is, I just don't see any other entity with enough leverage to change our direction. At least the Democratic Party has a historical allegiance to protecting the disempowered. And I think the party is in a time lag with America here—less so than the Republicans, though, which makes me think it can be reformed.

      And I honestly think the Occupy movement had a HUGE effect that we're not even seeing the full culmination of yet. Before that movement, there really was not even lip service paid to the real problems of income inequality. But a pressure was exerted there, and we're seeing it in rhetoric of pols now.

      As for HRC ... again, I think pressure can be exerted if we're united to push push push to the left. And I also don't think the president is the be all and end all of political representation. But I do know this: If the appointment of the next couple of SCOTUS appointments comes down to HRC or Rand Paul/Ted Cruz/Chris Christie/fill in your nightmare Republican here ... I want HRC.

      If a more left and viable candidate emerges in the Democratic Party, I'm SO there. But if not—we push.

      •  I don't disagree with you at all about the Supreme (7+ / 0-)

        Court. I do believe that Clarence Thomas needs to be impeached and disbarred due to his misconduct on the bench and refusal to recuse himself when ruling on casing where he has a clear conflict of interest. Especially the fact that he somehow forgot to check off a box indicating his wifes financial gains from outside lobbying groups for years. I forget who was leading that crusade? Oh yeah. Anthony Weiner. What happened to him?

        “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” George Orwell

        by Tool on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 05:32:36 PM PDT

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      •  You're thinking like someone (7+ / 0-)

        who is politically informed.

        How is your average low-info, overworked, totally paycheck-to-paycheck millenial going to look at HRC? They aren't going to see her "shift." They already know her. They aren't going to consider the SCOTUS even if they ought to. They're going to be lucky to make it to vote, and if they do, they will have a very specific reason they are voting.

        That has been my experience at any rate, partially influenced by being in a blue area where everything has been stagnant economically since the late '90's.

        The issues are seen as different: the environment, war, social equality, and economic justice take on a new tenor for this group, IMHO.

        And for me as well, I suppose.

        Even my BUSINESS MAJORS are opposed to most capitalist crap if you start talking with them. Most are going into business not to make money, at least not at my university, but to try to reform the ethics of business. It's hopeful. This has been because of Occupy because this wasn't like this two years ago, seriously. About 30% of my students are Business Majors, BTW, so I hear a lot from them.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 05:35:23 PM PDT

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        •  Well, I have a skewed pool to look at (4+ / 0-)

          Four Millennial children. Two girls, two boys.

          HRC isn't left enough for them, obviously. But I DO notice the girls are somewhat enamored by the thought of a female president. So she'll get them.

          The youngest male is Silicon Valley mixture of liberal and libertarian, has always voted Democratic, probably will next time—the only risk was Rand Paul, and his civil rights crap shut that down for this son.

          Oldest son ... in NC, non-political, somewhat caught by the climate there ... probably won't vote.

          But I do think you may be underestimating the POWER of having a female candidate at the head of the ticket for Millennial women. At least with my daughters, it's as empowering to them as Obama's candidacy was for African Americans, and that was powerful indeed.

          •  I don't underestimate that (3+ / 0-)
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            I think that's perhaps the only real appeal that she holds for millenials. Also, she's been great on gay rights. So I imagine she will be able to be appealing there as well.

            She's obviously not going to appeal to all women. I'm a woman. She doesn't appeal to me. My sister is a woman. She didn't vote at all. Her objection to HRC was based on the Israel-Palestine situation as well as her hawkish comments about Iran, IIRC. She voted for Obama in '08 but not in the recent election due to her concern about Gitmo and Occupy Wall Street.

            You must know if in '08 if HRC got a larger % of the female youth vote than Obama? They broke it down, no? I can't remember. It would be good ot know.

            My students who don't know about the current situation in the Ukraine do, however, know a LOT about Occupy. They grew up with it. They were in high school. They're pretty much fluent in talking about the Occupy Movement and economic inequality. It was in the air for a long time. I think next semester, I'm going to require students to read the news every day for some assignment or another because it's maddening how socially out of it they are.

            They sure know about Andy Lopez' murder and the murder of Oscar Grant, as well as the Trayvon Martin murder. So these are the things that, for whatever reason, seem to have captured them. I am very specifically talking about 18-22 year olds in the Bay Area on this one (although my sister is in NY).

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            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 06:04:04 PM PDT

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