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  •  Erin Go Bragh! (26+ / 0-)

    CHEERS to my Irish ancestor from County Cork!




    CHEERS and Happy St. Patrick's Day to alla youz and yer furry and feathery fambly & frens!  Have a lovely day!

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 05:36:21 AM PDT

    •  cheers to my half Irish, half Basque son. who (10+ / 0-)

      occasionally reminds me that he springs from two cultures who have been inclined to blow things up.

      So far, so good.

      ecstatically baffled

      by el vasco on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 06:35:43 AM PDT

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    •  Unfortunately ..... (3+ / 0-)
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      my ancestry seems to be only German and English (also really German - Anglo-Saxon).  I have yet to find ANY Celtic genes, although I'm sure there must be some.

      Ich bin ein Deutscher! Was kann ich tun?

      Fortunately my ancestors left Germany before the evil period starting in 1914 and ending in 1945 and we have a deep seated hatred for Nazis and Kaisers.

      •  Same here (3+ / 0-)
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        My Dad's family was from Bavaria, and they never wanted to be "unified" under the Prussian Kaiser.  In fact, my father remembered his grandfather (who was born in the 1860s in Germany) calling them "Pig Prussians."  So, no fans of the Kaiser in my family, either.  And my father told me his mother said after they opened up the camps at the end of World War II that it made her ashamed to be of German heritage.  Too bad she didn't live to see them getting their act together (she died in 1954).

      •  There may well be European Celtic genes (3+ / 0-)

        The Gauls and Teutones from Germania were strains of European Celts when Caesar invaded and conquered their territories ca 55-54 BCE.  IIRC Caesar (or one of the later generals) hired a group of Germanic mercenaries and some of them helped invade Britain (which wasn't known as England until after the Anglo-Saxon invasion when "Angle Land" morphed into England - it was always Britain, Brittania when Rome occupied the area, and one of the Roman emperors named his son Brittanicus.

        Brittany in Gaul/France still speaks an ancient dialect, as does Wales.  The music from Brittany and certain other areas in Europe is very like the Celtic music one associates with Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and very old English folk music.

        I have three lines of ancestors from Alsace which was under French rule by the time they got to America in the early-mid-19th century, but Alsace-Lorraine has gone back and forth between French and German rule for centuries (the accent is very interesting to listen to; it's both French and German - I've only heard it twice, but it's memorable).  Their names are Germanic in nature (two sound more English than Germanic) but US data has them born and immigrated from Alsace or France (depending on which year of census data one reads).  The local church in NY state where they settled has records written in a German dialect, and unless I miss my guess, it's a dialect called Alemannic German (check out the top map on the right; click on it to enlarge).  Some of the church records have been translated and are online; names and such are easy enough to read without any problem (I have a few of the copies of the pages), but I haven't seen copies of the original pages that list the locations where some of these people were born; only parts of the church records have been transcribed and translated and are online.

        It's quite interesting to follow the ancient Celtic migrations, see what the grave goods and other artifacts were for various known Celtic peoples in Europe..., which, when they branched out and migrated, became separate recognizable peoples with language and customs all their own..., and eventually separate countries.

        I have documented ancestors from seven different countries, but my familiarity with some of the historical migrations of people before records covering common people were kept leaves room for potentially others..., but I just can't prove it with documents.  Then there were invading armies at different periods of history and some invaders came back and settled (most notably the Anglo-Saxons and Vikings that settled in England and founded coastal cities in Ireland, among others).

        Ancient history is really quite interesting, especially when one considers various events impacted our ancestors..., and perhaps our own mtDNA (and yDNA for males).

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 10:30:46 AM PDT

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