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  •  Ok, I now see some comments about (1+ / 0-)
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    defamation. I don't recall this guy. I know a lot of discussions here deal with meta stuff and I usually ignore it because we tend to get pissed off a lot and that's when we feel the urge to write personal sounding stuff so I did not know this guy Shuler interacted with many here, now I can understand why his plight is being discussed versus the 2 people he accuses. Sorry.

    Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others....Groucho Marx

    by tazz on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 01:14:05 AM PDT

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    •  Btw, I know it's not germane to (0+ / 0-)

      the discussion about his incarceration, and I don't think the judge's decision is fair, but, I actually think a journalist stops being a journalist when they write about adultery. It's one thing to have freedom of the press, it's another thing when the press assumes the role of being the morality cop and tries to expose what goes on behind closed doors between two consenting adults. Most of the time I've seen journalists accuse people of adultery was to vilify someone they had it in for anyway or to denigrate someone in support of an issue or sponsor.

      Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others....Groucho Marx

      by tazz on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 01:30:54 AM PDT

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      •  I appreciate your common sense about this. (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't know much about Schuler's case but I do know that a lot of otherwise pretty progressive people don't support him.  The fact that the ACLU supports him doesn't mean he is a progressive "speaking truth to power".  They don't make those distinctions.  I think his incarceration is terrible.  I've seen other people jailed for contempt and they are usually willing to do whatever they can to get out so they haven't stayed as long.  But my understanding is that Schuler won't "purge" his contempt by complying.  

        I agree with you that, if making false allegations of adultery are what got him sued in the first place, I don't have much sympathy for him.  You don't get to make up lies about other people that could hurt them and their families without some consequence.  If he lost because he refused to show up to court then it's even sadder.  What I don't think about this, like many other topics here at DKos, is that a discussion about this has to turn into one of those "you are a corporatist lackey who support the oligarchy" vs. "this man is clearly a conspiracy theorist and thus doesn't deserve any discussion".  Wouldn't it be nice to actually discuss the case (from different perspectives) without assuming we know the real political leanings and personalities of the people commenting on it.

        "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

        by stellaluna on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 05:37:13 AM PDT

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    •  I haven't read his stuff for years . . . (0+ / 0-)

      but during the U.S. Attorneys scandal in 2007, he helped call attention to the prosecution of Dem Gov. Don Siegleman, and wrote some diaries that weren't completely nuts on the issue.  

      I agree with you about the question of whether writing about adultery is in the public interest.  If the issue somehow touches on a public concern and involves public figures, it might be newsworthy, but otherwise it's more of a personal matter.  

      In the case of outright libel, there isn't any defense for the publication of those kind of charges.  And where the charges are potentially defamatory, there should be some attempt to substantiate the claims on the basis of actual evidence.

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