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    Todd Wilemon may consider watching the Fareed Zakaria fact based report that everyone should check out here. In the report Fareed Zakaria points out that Taiwan redid their entire healthcare system and used the American model to determine what not to do

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Sun Mar 16, 2014 at 12:34:54 PM PDT

    •  Repeating the World's Response to the American (6+ / 0-)

      governing model.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Mar 16, 2014 at 02:15:22 PM PDT

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    •  You can't even call a local hospital (17+ / 0-)

      in America and get a price on a procedure. It's a sham. And republicans love it. Poor Americans have been forced to scour pool their receipts and get to the price the insurer paid for the procedure, and in doing so we're realizing there is absolutely no logic whatsoever to pricing. Hidden in prices are losses (burden), soft markups, outright theft, God knows what else.

      For people like myself, because of the historically accepted system, it has been a prison of remaining in a career that was not my first choice to guarantee affordable healthcare for my family. And if that's not the very definition of fascism/communism/ feudalism/ I don't know what is. It's not socialism because that would imply the product I've been forced to buy is beneficial. It's not. It's a monopoly. A monopoly where you don't even get to know how much a procedure costs.

      I pay cash for my dental work. I have spent tens of thousands the past ten years. The prices are so shocking that they are embarrassed to tell me when I ask for a plan with prices. You can tell they are accustomed to hiding the prices through the insurance wall. It's no different for any other health care.  

      "I feel badly about the kids," the unknown person said. "I guess." [but] "They are [only] the children of Buono voters," Wildstein replied.

      by plok on Sun Mar 16, 2014 at 06:26:04 PM PDT

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      •  lets talk dental care (27+ / 0-)

        really bothers me that somehow america could care less if your teeth are bad. if you are in pain. If your teeth are ruining the health of the rest of your body. if you cant eat solid foods

        dental is NOT a luxury, but america treats like such.

        •  Yes, live1. (14+ / 0-)

          Why, why, WHY the fuck do we allow the discussion to just peter out into the weeds when it comes to dental health?
          Probably most of us have suffered at one time or another with some astonishingly painful dental condition, and you get shuffled into this "dead zone" of no answers.....or at
          least no answers that don't come with a $10k or $20k
          price tag.  It involves the physical health and well being of your entire body, not just your mouth.  What the hell do they study in med school......everything but the teeth?

        •  Isn't dental care a market-driven system? (1+ / 0-)
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          There is no Medicare for dental care is there? There is no dental care at the VA is there?

          Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

          by hestal on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:45:46 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, there is dental care at the VA (1+ / 0-)
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            Besides checkups and so forth, I got a very nice bridge installed at the Memphis VA (this was some years ago, but I am assuming those benefits haven't changed).  Many non-VA dentists that I saw after commented on how nice the VA bridge was -- even more so when I told them it was from the VA.

            •  But they only cover 100% disabled vets in VA for (2+ / 0-)
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              dental.  My husband is fortunate, I guess, in that he can get his teeth taken care of.  I on the other hand, my teeth are rotting out of my head and I can't afford to go to a dentist to get them fixed.  I worry about how it is affecting my health.  It is bad for your heart, I know that.  The last dentist I went to said it would take 10,000 dollars to fix my teeth and tried to stear me to a next door finance office to borrow the money.  How convienent, a finance office next door!  I said no and left.  

              •  Sorry to hear about this (0+ / 0-)

                Couple of comments.  A friend of mine almost died because of not taking care of his dental needs.  An abscess in a tooth migrated into his brain.  Another friend is having major dental work done this summer to stave off a similar thing from happening.  So I am really sorry to hear about your situation and hope that there will be some way for you to get it fixed.  I also agree that dental should be covered for more than just 100% disabled vets.  I guess I have been taking some of my VA benefits for granted.

          •  Medcare won't pay for (1+ / 0-)
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            routine care, only if it relates to a medical problem, like removal of a facial tumor necessitating tooth extraction. But then it doesn't cover the implant or bridge to replace that tooth.

        •  Anyone who thinks this isn't importnat (4+ / 0-)

          should remember the case a few years back of a child in poverty who DIED from lack of dental care.  In the US.  In the twenty-first century.

        •  Good point!! (3+ / 0-)
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          and I don't think Medicare covers dental care not related to a medical issue. My mother pays all her dental out of pocket. These little elderly people need dental care!

        •  Where will I get Dental care? I had it, when I was (0+ / 0-)

          working & had medical & dental coverage. After I had to leave my job, I no longer had dental. When I had dental coverage, was going to the Dentist on a regular basis & he was redoing many of my old fillings, which were 20-30 yrs old.

          Then I lost the job, so no Dental.  Went without Dental for over 4 yrs.  I had been on SSDI before, but had wanted to work, even though I am physically disabled.  

          After losing my job & insurance, I wanted Medicaid, but made too much money, with my part time paper routes. Finally broke down and applied for SSI & SSDI, but had to quit one of my paper routes. I have polio, so was able to get both SSI, SSDI & Medicaid. Lost my SSI cash benefit, when I started receiving my SSDI cash benefit, but could keep Medicaid.  

          So now I had Medicaid, & was able to get some Dental coverage although not much.  Got a list of Dentists, who accepted Medicaid, but most of them didn't or they weren't accepting new patients.

          When I was able to get Medicare, it don't cover dental. Finally found a Dental clinic, who accepts Medicaid, but now because of the few dollars I get from my new part time Customer Service job, 13 hours a week, which I can do from my apartment, I lost my Medicaid.  Now I don't have Dental coverage again.  

          I have gone for about 20 years, with no Dental coverage, so when I needed some teeth pulled, I had to pay for it myself.  A lot of the old fillings fell out, plus a couple teeth broke off, all that is left of the one, is the root.  

          Don't know how they will pull that one.  Applied for the ACA, but don't know if I can get Medicaid, through that or not.  Of course I live in Wisconsin and our "wonderful Republican governor" decided not to take the extra Federal funds and expand Medicaid.  Since they were going to raise the dollar limit, on your income, it would have included more people, maybe even me, to get Medicaid.

          I have been lucky to have Medicare to cover my medical and Medicaid, to cover the rest.  I had only had to pay copays.  Not sure what is going to happen now.              

      •  You can get some cost comparison data (1+ / 0-)
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        You can get charge data from Medicare here:

        The New York Times created a database searchable by City/State or ZIP Code from the same dataset:

        All of this is based on 2011 numbers, but it gives at least some idea of relative charges.

    •  Coming from Taiwan I can attest to this. (3+ / 0-)
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      Their healthcare system have their problems (heck, which healthcare system don't have their own problems), but overall, it works a hell a lot better than US.
      However, part of Taiwan system involve monitoring patient profiles, which helps spot fraudulent activities or abuse. Might not fly so well in the US since it essentially means that the government has your medical record.

      That said, several thing I loved about Taiwan healthcare system.
      1. Every fee is published: In fact I can provide here
      Two things of importance:
      A. Exchange rate is about 30 NT$ vs 1 US$ (so divide listed charge by 30 to get the US$ equivalent)
      B. Taiwan Cost-Of-Living is, very roughly, half of US. So multiply above by 2 to get a rough equivalent of how much you would pay in US.
      Overall, see the section under NHI and divide that cost by 15 would be the equivalent cost in US.

      2. For hospitalization, your payment is capped at 6% national income average. If you exceed that, the insurance pays for all the rest of it.

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