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  •  So its cool if large, (9+ / 0-)

    powerful countries snatch pieces of their neighbors because they have the military strength to do so???

    Not a recipe for a peaceful world. This invasion and occupation also teaches smaller countries that they must have nuclear weapons to protect themselves. This Crimean invasion never would have happened if Ukraine had not agreed to scrap its enormous nuclear arsenal in return for guarantees from the US and Russia.

    Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

    by OIL GUY on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 06:49:44 AM PDT

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    •  It's also okay if at least one small (4+ / 0-)

      but immensely powerful country does so.  

      You know which one.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 07:08:49 AM PDT

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      •  The principle of self determination (5+ / 0-)

        is sacrosanct, but also situational.  

        •  yes indeed. (3+ / 0-)
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          if you're a Kosovar: yaaayyyy!  
          if you're a Kurd: maybe, if you're in the right place at the right time, but your self-determination can be revoked at any time when convenient to us.
          if you're a Tibetan: we'd love to, but . . .
          if you're a Palestinian: surrender first, and be satisfied with the crumbs
          if you're a Crimean: NO
          (etc. etc. etc.)

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:13:49 AM PDT

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          •  It is a melanin dependent continuum (5+ / 0-)

            best I can tell.

            •  Indeed this is largely the case. (0+ / 0-)

              Not always, of course -- I doubt any Americans thought of Kosovars as whiter than Serbs (given our linguistic ignorance of "Albanian" as etymologically derived from a word meaning "white"), but we have a long history of promoting people to "whiteness" only once we decide they're sufficiently "one of us" -- or at least "white" in comparison to an even scarier racial threat.  Consider the history of the Irish, the Italians, and the Southern Slavs in our own country . . .

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:46:54 AM PDT

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              •  Well, South Sudan is an exception (1+ / 0-)
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                come to think of it.  But it surely pissed Russia off when we split up that country against their opposition.

                Kosovo, South Sudan, Putin is just using same playbook we used to undermine Russian aspirations elsewhere.

                •  Ultimately (0+ / 0-)

                  hegemony overrules ethnic considerations.  However, the non-whiteness of the parties involved does make it easier for us to cancel or ignore previously-made commitments.  Just ask the Kurds . . .

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:01:03 AM PDT

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                •  So we were wrong to (0+ / 0-)

                  try and stop a massacre??

                  What would you do? Sit on your hands while the government of Sudan committed genocide?

                  Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

                  by OIL GUY on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 12:52:53 PM PDT

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              •  Excuse me, but (3+ / 0-)
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                could you two find a room and do this thing you're doing, there, behind some closed doors?  It's sort of nauseating.

    •  Uh, that's how we acquired Hawaii, Puerto (4+ / 0-)

      Rico, the Phillipines (at one point) and all the land west of the Alleghenies.

      If only the Cherokee of Lakota had nuclear weapons.

      Not to mention, Crimea has historically never been part of Ukraine until Kruschev - a Ukrainian not exactly elected thru Jeffersonian electoral process - GAVE Crimea to Ukraine as a birthday present.

      Fiat justitia ruat caelum "Let justice be done though the heavens fall."

      by bobdevo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:23:20 AM PDT

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    •  It's cool when we did it (0+ / 0-)

      Or should we give California and the entire Southwest back to Mexico?

      •  That was 150 years ago. (0+ / 0-)

        Our actions were shameful, not unusual for the time.

        I don't condone many things the US government has done. I protested vociferously against the Vietnam War and I resisted the draft. I protested against the Iraq invasion.

        I know that the US has done a great deal of damage in the world, but that doesn't mean we should not speak out against other countries when they violate international law and the accepted norms of modern society.

        Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

        by OIL GUY on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 01:00:35 PM PDT

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        •  What if West Virginia and Virginia merged? (0+ / 0-)

          They used to be one state, they have very similar cultures, speak the same language and all. Is it really a crime against humanity if they went back to being one state?

          Can you explain exactly what the outrage is over?  Because I don't see it.

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