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  •  So Hawaii benefitted from Pearl Harbor so.... (1+ / 0-)
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    So really, there was no military occupation of Hawaii because:

    -Hawaiians didn't really count as a people and had no capacity to self govern (decided by a bunch of old white men in the 40's)

    -It's not a military occupation if the people welcome it and benefit from it economically.  And the Americans weren't leaving anyway, so never mind that.

    -Hawaiians joined the US so they wouldn't be fought over and passed back and forth like a territory in RISK.

    -A majority Asian immigrant population that swings the vote is nothing at all like having natives deported to swing the vote.

    And you see no similarities between Hawaii and Crimea at all?  It looks to me like they see lots of benefit in being Russia's Pearl Harbor on the Black Sea.
    Also, Crimea never voted to become part of Ukraine in the first place, that was a communist Soviet Union decision.  So why should that be the default?

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      Norm in Chicago

      deeply on the subject over the years, I don't believe that Hawaii and the Crimea are the same, but I guess I can see your point of view.  If you start with the premise that Hawaii was a military occupied country, then the rest of your ideas can flow from that.  I don't see Hawaii as quite that subjugated, but I will allow that the native Hawaiians may have felt differently.  I will stop trying to put words and thoughts in their mouths.

    •  Hawaiians didn't "join" the U.S. The islands ... (2+ / 0-)
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      Gordon20024, Norm in Chicago

      ...were taken. Hawaii's previously independent Republic dismantled. It territorial government was established in 1900. Sixty-one years later, Hawaiians voted, but without the choice of again becoming independent.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 07:20:54 PM PDT

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      •  So Crimea actually got a better vote than Hawaii (0+ / 0-)

        Crimea's vote had the option of joining Russia, or being independent.  Hawaii had the choice of becoming a state, or remaining a military occupied territory forever.  Because we were never leaving Pearl Harbor.

        so explain to me again why we're supposed to go to war over, or even care about, Crimea?

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