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  •  I remember fishing off the NJ coast in 1976 (98+ / 0-)

    I had never gone deep sea fishing before and was very excited. It turned out to be a terrible fishing day for everyone. My biggest memory is how people treated the ocean like a trash can. Everything from sandwich wrappers to beer cans went right into the ocean.

    Thanks for this diary and reminding us all that our globe is hurting and we better change our attitude real quick.

    -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

    by Blueslide on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 05:44:50 AM PDT

    •  Eating bait? Bottom Trawing by CorpAgFisheries (11+ / 0-)

      They bottom trawl now to grab any and everything the net can hold in Japan and China and they are over in African Seas, and using the trawl.  The only thing stopping them from the S.African coast is 3 oceans meet there and the damage of sinking is high risk, so they cart it off globally, and leave nothing behind.  

      Greed hath no fury worse than Mother Nature/Planet Earth.  She's gonna toss them until they are senseless.

      97% of the earth's fish are officially gone and on shelves in some DUMB.  What you bet?  There have been whole lakes drained for water source below ground for filtration.

      •  Eating "Bait and Jellyfish." In SE Asia... (1+ / 0-)
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        appetite for jellyfish rapidly increasing. So now both bases covered.

        •  I have tasted the mighty jellyfish (0+ / 0-)

          It's like crunchy salt water. That is all.

          THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

          by xenubarb on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:39:46 PM PDT

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      •  Why not hate the destroyers of Earth? (0+ / 0-)

        If hate is inconsequential, then why not hate them? They are not only destroyers of the seas but of us all!  I believe we are facing the destruction of the human race. All for their greed. Greed is a mental disorder. Let's put them in mental institutions where they belong.

        We have only this planet. If it goes, we're gone.

        I wish I was wrong. I wish. But I don't think I am.
        I can only cry for my grandsons.

    •  I remember cod being six feet long or better (4+ / 0-)

      Now, cod are at most a foot long.

      Now, I like cod. I like grouper. I like sole. I enjoy tuna on occasion (pretty much any variety) and the occasional (read: rare) shark.
      I also like farm raised swia, tilapia and catfish. Those indeed are the primary fish that I eat now.

      Now, part of that if financial, as fish prices these days looks like I'm trying to buy the damned boat!
      But, equally, it's because the fish are getting smaller and smaller as they're being overfished into extinction.
      At the rate we're going, my toddler grandchildren will get to enjoy anchovy sized "large" fish.

      •  We will be reduced... (8+ / 0-)

        ..to a few hardy species which can adapt to aquaculture and rising temperatures. I fear the days of seafood and fish from the oceans as a regular part of the diet are at an end.

        Tilapia are quickly becoming table fare in the US. They seem to be most adaptable and they are selectively breeding for cold-tolerant tilapia. For now, combining tilapia farming and hydroponics, rain harvesting techniques, land contouring and other measures can ameliorate local food shortages and provide work and a means for survival when the man-made catastrophe of climate change catches up to our children and grand children. Teach them well.

        (sorry for the run-on sentence...)

        "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

        by CanisMaximus on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 01:36:01 PM PDT

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        •  And what will happen (1+ / 0-)
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          when those engineered tilapia escape? I shudder to think.

          Thank your stars you're not that way/Turn your back and walk away/Don't even pause and ask them why/Turn around and say 'goodbye'/Just wish them well.....

          by Purple Priestess on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 11:19:20 PM PDT

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          •  Tilapia are grown commercially... (2+ / 0-)
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            ..all around the world. When I say "cold-tolerant", I mean for sub-tropical areas. They are not being genetically engineered to my knowledge. Their genome is pretty malleable and they cross-breed readily.

             As to your concerns, it's too late. They are all across most of Florida and I believe as far north as Georgia. But since they are herbivores and will eat primarily algae, they don't compete with native species and stay in warmer waters. Everywhere they spread they are considered good eating.

            "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

            by CanisMaximus on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:05:03 AM PDT

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      •  Salmon also... I have a photo of my uncle (2+ / 0-)
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        who went salmon fishing off Anchorage.  He brought one in so big it was taller than he could hold up (he was 6-2).  He had it canned..  We got 3 cases of the tuna size cans and his family got 12-13.

        "Death is the winner in any war." - Nightwish/Imaginareum/Song of myself.

        by doingbusinessas on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:40:25 PM PDT

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      •  Stop eating fish (3+ / 0-)
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        coconutjones, kurt, corvo

        It's just that simple. Encourage people to eat a vegetarian diet...but if you can't do that, eat chicken or turkey in small portions.

        You don't even have to give up beef or fish completely, eat it half as regularly as you used to, or even just a couple times a year.

        Don't eat fish sticks. Don't eat canned tuna.

        I can read it now, "What good is that going to do? One guy not eating things everyone else eats?"

        Say that to these guys...

        On February 1, 1960,at 4:30pm four students from the North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University sat down at the lunch counter inside the Woolworth store at 132 South Elm Street in Greensboro, North Carolina.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/...
        Four kids, what the fuck are they going to accomplish?

        You want change, start with yourself first.  Everything starts there.

        Join Essa in a revolt against the gods. Continue the fight, Causality.

        by rbird on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 09:50:08 PM PDT

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        •  "Meat is gross and sad" (1+ / 0-)
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          And that is the consensus of my 3 sons (aged 14, 11, and 6) as well as the opinion of their buddies.  I would not be surprised if in the next decade and a half, vegetarianism becomes the norm.

          My sons are the ones who have influenced me to transition our family  to a vegetarian diet.  They've also converted my Dad full Veganism and influenced my step-mom to return to her vegetarian diet.

          So three little kids have certainly changed the eating habits of my family.  Between the social pressure and the continual polluting of the food chain I just don't see a future for the dead animal market.

          •  If I'm ever stranded on an island (0+ / 0-)

            I want you and your family with me. You won't be eating me...

            THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

            by xenubarb on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:41:23 PM PDT

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        •  eat lionfish and asian carp (4+ / 0-)
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          corvo, Fiona West, terabytes, Pakalolo

          one of the often overlooked facets of our abysmal stewardship of the oceans is our tendency to release invasive species, which multiplies the damage we do directly.
          Lionfish are currently wiping out native coral reef species throughout the Caribbean and up the Atlantic coast. They are voracious predators, and have no natural enemies.

          With some careful preparation, they are quite tasty, and darn near impossible to overfish, as they eat everything and reproduce copiously. It's about the only fish we eat anymore.

          I am not familiar with the Asian carp, but have not heard anything to suggest they are any less edible or prolific.
          As for the jellyfish; they and the many varieties of squid look to be the short term winners in the new Anthropocene era. Calamari, anyone?

          Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

          by kamarvt on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 04:43:49 AM PDT

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          •  Carp are full of tiny bones (0+ / 0-)

            They're almost impossibly annoying to try to fillet a dang carp. It's like picking out those stupid pin bones in a trout, only more, smaller, and irritating.

            Carp smell weird. I don't care for that.

            THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

            by xenubarb on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:42:42 PM PDT

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        •  Stop eating meat (3+ / 0-)
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          corvo, Pakalolo, okpkpkp

          If you really want to help the ecology, agriculture, and result in more food one should reduce or stop eating meat or dairy of any kind. I am not a vegetarian but I now eat much much less meat than I use to.  

    •  Make and Break Harbor (10+ / 0-)

      by Stan Rogers

      How still lies the bay, in the light western airs
      Which blow from the crimson horizon
      Once more we tack home, with a dry empty hole
      Saving gas with the breezes so fair
      She's a kindly cape islander, old but still sound
      But so lost in the long liners shadow
      Make and Break and make do, but the fish are so few
      That she won't be replaced should she founder
      Now it's so hard to not think of before the big war
      When the cod went so cheap, but so plenty
      Foreign trawlers go by now with long seeing eyes
      Taking all where we seldom take any
      And the young folk don't stay with the fisherman's ways
      Long ago they all moved to the cities
      And the ones left behind old and tired and blind
      Won't work for a pound, for a penny.
      In Make and Break Harbour the boats are so few
      Too many are holed up and rotten.
      Most houses stand empty old nets hung to dry
      Are blown away lost and forgotten
      Now I can see the big draggers that stirred up the bay
      Leaving lobster traps smashed on the bottom
      And they think it don't pay to respect the old ways
      That make and break men have not forgotten
      For we still keep our time to the turn of the tide
      In this boat that I built with my father
      Still lifts to the sky, "One Lunger" and I
      Still talk like old friends on the water

      "You have no respect for excessive authority or obsolete traditions. You're dangerous and depraved, and you ought to be taken outside and shot!" - Catch 22 by Joseph Heller

      by rambler american on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 12:23:42 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, how I miss Stan! (3+ / 0-)
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        His lyrics and melodies combine in some strange alchemy that I don't understand even as I marvel at the emotional power.

        To this day I cannot sing "Lies" without choking up...

        •  I saw him and his brother (1+ / 0-)
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          Garnet twice at The Folkway in Peterborough, NH. A very intimate venue that held maybe 30-40 people. He gave great concerts. Legend has it that he escaped the Air Canada fire but went back in to rescue other passengers. I do not doubt it. Here is a website with some free music.

          http://www.last.fm/...

          "You have no respect for excessive authority or obsolete traditions. You're dangerous and depraved, and you ought to be taken outside and shot!" - Catch 22 by Joseph Heller

          by rambler american on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 04:32:01 AM PDT

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          •  No need for the free site (1+ / 0-)
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            I have every album he put out and the first music book. I also have the East Coast Tribute albums, I & II and have transposed most of his songs down into a range I can actually sing (guitar chords). I'm happy to share the chord progressions if anyone else out there is also a low alto!

    •  Of course the waters of NJ are a giant trash can! (4+ / 0-)
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      NYC has been dumping their garbage and sewage in the Hudson Canyon for decades.  And Jersey people tend to think of the entire world as their own personal trash can.  Visit any NJ public beach at 5 pm during the summer and you will see the remains of picnics littered on the beach 15 feet from a trash can that NJ people cannot be bothered to get off their asses to put in the can.  

      It is those same narcissistic, self centered know nothings that elected Chris Chrisco twice.  Welcome to NJ!

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 08:37:33 PM PDT

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    •  My Dad and I used to go (0+ / 0-)

      out of Sheepshead Bay, NY in the 50's.

      We would cruise out to the Jersey shore - what they called the "acid grounds". Most of the time on the Ranger V.

      Sign in, claim your spot at the rail, and go across the street for  a few dozen clams before the boat left the dock.

      I have pics of us with Bluefish over 40" long. When we hit a school the boat would come to life with the mates running all over to gaff the caught fish. At the time our fishing helped augment our groceries which were sometimes a bit bare. We could always count on Dad's fishing excursion to bring home the "bacon".

      Now I own a boat in So Fla and feel lucky if I can bring home a couple of Dolphin for dinner .... we never catch more than necessary and pick up as much trash as we can to bring back to the dock.

      People are pigs when it comes to dumping stuff in the ocean.

      Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

      by Da Rock on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 07:47:47 AM PDT

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    •  Actually each fisherman is behaving rationally. (1+ / 0-)
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      But as a group, they destroy the common resource.  The theory behind this is nicely given in Wiki - look up Garrett Hardin, Tragedy of the (unregulated) Commons.
      Destruction of ocean resources is especially horrid, as we can see it coming, as in fish sizes declining over the years, but the UN lacks the clout to effectively regulate.  

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