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  •  I wonder about the generational breakdown (12+ / 0-)

    of the sample of white evangelicals.

    Just a hunch, but I bet that the younger folks among this group will "evolve" at a quicker pace than the older generation.

    •  Substantiated for decades (2+ / 0-)
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      Cassandra Waites, wishingwell

      in Pew Forum polls, and in The Incredible Shrinking Church, by Frank Page, a former President of SBC. The Evangelical churches are losing millions, mostly young people, annually.

      A friend dragged me to one of those churches with my banjo because they had a string band to accompany their hymn-singing, and I could just chord along even if I didn't know the tunes. There were two people there under the age of sixty, a wife and one poor child. Greasy Creek Church, near Nashville, Indiana. I am not making that up. I told my friend never again.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Mon Mar 17, 2014 at 10:05:44 PM PDT

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      •  And only going to get 'worse'. (1+ / 0-)
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        The general response to a Barna study showing the youth with a 'Biblical worldview' (their definition) were more likely to consider the 'Biblical worldview" churches to be too homophobic than their unchurched peers looking at the same churches from the outside?

        Double down on the homophobia in the youth education materials and make sure they are all hearing the clobber verses!

        Seriously, the response was 'make sure the kids all know what they believe by the time their unchurched peers start coming out' without a thought to WHY the youth answered the survey that way - as in, maybe there was more than enough time devoted to that one issue and the youth wanted to devote Sunday School time to things like, oh, actual personal spiritual development and such. They didn't even have to consider the possibility of the stance being wrong, they just had to ask if they were becoming single-issue in the eyes of the teens, and they wouldn't even do that.

        Oh, and the evangelicals keep making the mistake of looking for causes at the age of leaving. My church had kid after kid leave as soon as they were entrusted with a vehicle and told they were their own ride to church now. Or when they hit college and no one was there to force it anymore. No one's asking around to see if the real causes are older - and in my case one of the reasons was literally twenty years old when I finally walked out.

        •  Can you give us a link? (1+ / 0-)
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          I would love to add this to my list of references on the subject.

          I see old Barna studies about attitudes to gays and lesbians, and about the Biblical worldview, but not the one you are referring to. Here is one from 2007.

          A New Generation Expresses its Skepticism and Frustration with Christianity

          Today, the most common perception is that present-day Christianity is "anti-homosexual." Overall, 91% of young non-Christians and 80% of young churchgoers say this phrase describes Christianity. As the research probed this perception, non-Christians and Christians explained that beyond their recognition that Christians oppose homosexuality, they believe that Christians show excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians. One of the most frequent criticisms of young Christians was that they believe the church has made homosexuality a "bigger sin" than anything else. Moreover, they claim that the church has not helped them apply the biblical teaching on homosexuality to their friendships with gays and lesbians.
          An interesting current quote from the site is
          18-29 year olds with a Christian background

          59%

          …who have dropped out of attending church after going regularly

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:52:28 AM PDT

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          •  The Barna study was the one that resulted in (0+ / 0-)

            the book unChristian. I didn't read it and by now I wouldn't be able to find the place I saw the statistic cited. Or the place I heard about the specific response.

            And checking your link, yep that's it.

            I left the SBC the spring after the book came out.

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