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  •  I did not make that up. (12+ / 0-)

    I have encountered a significant number of instances of such arguments. Anyone who thinks the issues merits some level of discussion is accused of being a shill for Russian propaganda.

    •  For whatever reason (10+ / 0-)

      it is very often difficult for internet discussion to not develop into two diametrically opposed sides on everything, and then lump all arguments -- and often those making them -- into one camp or the other.

      I suppose that the loudest voices are often the most black and white, since many of the rest of folks are actually often puzzling over what to think.

      Re: the topic, Svoboda has angered a lot of people now in Ukraine over the footage of the news guy getting beaten. Sounds like there are protests for investigations going on. I'll be watching closely to see what comes of it -- if the new government can manage to be responsive to the issue, it'll be a good sign, and if it can't, not so much; I don't expect the highest speed of response with everything else going on. There needs to be one, though.

      And aside, Crimea is already planning to remove some ethnic Tatars from their land for "social needs." They will be given other land, which will surely be just as good (cough). I mention it here only because I think keeping a close eye on what happens in Crimea regarding Tatar lands etc is really, really important.

    •  Well, especially when you just have to go to (3+ / 0-)
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      pico, Euroliberal, koNko

      Svoboda's, UNA-UNSO's etc websites and read what they say themselves about where they get their ideology, and what that ideology is. They sure as hell didn't ask Putin to write their ideas at their websites. He didn't write that he's a puppet of the Hasidim, for instance.

      Real fixes, outside the coffin fixes, ain't ever pragmatic says Political Conventional Wisdoom.

      by Jim P on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 11:00:55 AM PDT

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