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  •  Police were shot: I'm not arguing that. (1+ / 0-)
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    There was a gunfight.  Certainly.

    The investigation that took place recently was whether there were pro-Maidan forces sniping against both sides to be provocateurs in the riots.  There was never any evidence for that sort of thing, and so the investigation went nowhere.  That's the investigation FarEasterner is claiming didn't produce "tangible evidence".  Of course it didn't.  How could it?

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:44:54 PM PDT

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    •  So there's no evidence that either side killed (2+ / 0-)
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      the other with Sniper fire?

      From what I can tell the police were mostly killed on February 18th and the 20th was when many protesters were killed by sniper fire. That sounds far more like a response to protesters shooting at the police than it sounds like the police just decided to start killing people. If there were eight police officers killed at a protest in the US people would be braying for blood.

      I suppose it's possible that there were snipers killing people on both sides, but I'm not sure what the point would be. Wouldn't pro-maidan snipers not kill police officers so as to make it look like a massacre instead of a gun fight?

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:50:12 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe - that I don't know. (2+ / 0-)
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        And maybe there should have been a fuller investigation if only because of the problems of fog-of-war.

        This is a complicated area of the world: after all, this is a country where a presidential candidate was nearly assassinated-by-poisoning just a decade ago.  I wouldn't put underhanded tactics beyond anyone.  

        But it was the police who, without provocation and with apparent orders from above, raided the Maidan camps in the middle of the night at the end of November, setting off the national riots.  I have no idea on the sniper fire.  You're right that it sounds ridiculous, though I'd say it sounds ridiculous either way, even as provocation.  

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:59:45 PM PDT

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        •  Raiding camps in the middle of the night (2+ / 0-)
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          in November. Brings back memories. Which really just makes me think that my statements about this happening in the US are even more true.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 01:06:42 PM PDT

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          •  I was woken up by one of them. (2+ / 0-)
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            Midnight raid to get rid of Occupy, who were encamped down the street from me.  Terrifying.

            Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

            by pico on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 01:15:55 PM PDT

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