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  •  Not really . (2+ / 0-)
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    The Russians need Sevastopol to have access to the Mediterranean.

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 11:47:10 AM PDT

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      •  Of course I have looked at the maps . (4+ / 0-)
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        Priazovskiy to Adler and everything inbetween including Tsemes Bay .
        Saying they need "Sevastopol to have access to the Mediterranean." is like saying we need a base in Guantanamo Cuba to have access to the Caribbean .

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

        by indycam on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:05:32 PM PDT

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        •  Nowhere near the same (6+ / 0-)

          Far more so than the Falklands to the UK.

          Imagine the only coast with the Pacific was in SoCal.  It would be as strategic as San Diego.

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          by Shockwave on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:11:07 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, but Sevasastapol is the only place (8+ / 0-)

          that already has the expensive infrastructure installed and ready to go.

          Lot more to a military seaport than just a beach.

          •  Have you looked at the Tsemes Bay infrastructure ? (4+ / 0-)

            To say

            Sevasastapol is the only place
            that already has the expensive infrastructure installed and ready to go.
            kind of shows you haven't .

            The argument that was put forward was

            The Russians need Sevastopol to have access to the Mediterranean.
            and it has been shown to be not the case . They have lots of options , they don't need Sevastopol to have access to the Mediterranean .

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

            by indycam on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:24:18 PM PDT

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            •  Have you? From the freakin' wiki- (2+ / 0-)
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              In 2003, President Vladimir Putin signed a decree setting up a naval base for the Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk. Russia has allocated 12.3 billion rubles (about $480 million) for the construction of the new base between 2007 and 2012. The construction of other facilities and infrastructure at the base, including units for coastal troops, aviation and logistics, will continue beyond 2012.[citation needed]
              Sure, it'll be a great base, sometime next decade. It's not ready to go.
              •  Its had a Naval base there for how long ? (3+ / 0-)

                From that Naval base they can and do access the Med .
                To say Russia's only access to the Med is via Sevastopol , is laughable .

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                by indycam on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:44:05 PM PDT

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              •  Did you notice the dates ? (1+ / 0-)
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                for the construction of the new base between 2007 and 2012
                A new base at Novorossiysk ? And it is now 2014 ?

                https://www.google.com/...

                www.lucorg.com/news.php/news/6765

                Novorossiysk has some advantages for the Russian Black Sea Fleet that could make it its major home base even if Russia wishes to retain a presence in Sevastopol. Novorossiysk’s primary advantage is its location on Russian soil, which provides Russia with some leverage against Ukraine’s Western leanings, but also reduces Russia’s logistics and supply costs. The Novorossiysk naval base abuts Russia’s biggest commercial seaport, which facilitates the protection of Russian economic interests. Its construction began from a virtually virgin shore site, thus allowing the design and development of modern infrastructure. Moreover, at Novorossiysk, Russian ships, such as the flagship Moskva, would be allowed to carry guided missiles armed with nuclear warheads—which is forbidden at Sevastopol—illustrating the Novorossiysk base’s strategic advantage. Combined, these advantages may outweigh Sevastopol’s military value whose foremost natural advantage is its all-weather accessibility.

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                by indycam on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 01:11:43 PM PDT

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            •  Maybe you should provide some links (2+ / 0-)
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              if you're going to nix anything said about Crimea being an important base. Because up until right before Russia occupied Crimea everyone thought it was pretty damn important.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 01:01:52 PM PDT

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          •  Here you go , (5+ / 0-)

            http://www.worldportsource.com/...

            The Port of Novorossiysk is at the head of Tsemes Bay on the Black Sea's northeastern shores in southwest Russia. The Port of Novorossiysk is located about 250 nautical miles northeast of the Port of Batumi in Georgia and about 520 nautical miles across the Black Sea from the Port of Haydarpasa in Istanbul, Turkey. It is one of the few cities in Russia that was honored with the title of Hero City in recognition for its valor during World War II. In 2006, over 230 thousand people lived in the Port of Novorossiysk.

            The Port of Novorossiysk is located on the shores of the ice-free Tsemes Bay, long recognized as one of the best bays of the Black Sea. The Port of Novorossiysk is Russia's main port on the Black Sea and is home to a naval base, shipbuilding yards, and an oil-pipeline terminal. The Port of Novorossiysk supports Russian maritime trade through its relations with Asia, the Middle East, the Mediterranean region, Africa, and South America. It is also the terminus of the pipeline from the rich Tengiz Oil Field in western Kazakhstan, making it the biggest oil port on the Black Sea. In addition to the Port of Novorossiysk, the city is home to many industries producing food products, metal goods, among many others.

            Still want to say
            Sevasastapol is the only place...

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

            by indycam on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:29:43 PM PDT

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            •  Yes, I still want to say (2+ / 0-)
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              Sevasastapol is the only place (1+ / 0-)

              that already has the expensive infrastructure installed and ready to go.

              •  So the naval base at (3+ / 0-)
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                The Port of Novorossiysk is Russia's main port on the Black Sea and is home to a naval base, shipbuilding yards, and an oil-pipeline terminal.
                isn't ready to be a naval base ?
                That Russia can't access the Med without the port on the island ?

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                by indycam on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:45:06 PM PDT

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                •  Giving up the base in Crimea to a Ukraine (0+ / 0-)

                  in NATO would mean giving the base to NATO. If there were war that would deny Russia use of the Black Sea.

                  I know you aren't really so stupid as to not understand the importance of the naval base in Crimea.

                  If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                  by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 05:57:57 PM PDT

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          •  Except for Novorossiysk the busiest port (0+ / 0-)

            on the Black Sea and already Russian territory, yup.

            Crimea is nothing but a Russian land grab, because eff you, Europe. Because we can. Because Rodina Red White and Blue, Yeah!

        •  If we don't NEED Gitmo, why are we there?..... (1+ / 0-)
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          one might ask.

          Fiat justitia ruat caelum "Let justice be done though the heavens fall."

          by bobdevo on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 03:45:06 PM PDT

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        •  Ya but Sevastopol is where the (0+ / 0-)

          LGN terminals are

          •  Never mind it's near Moldava (0+ / 0-)
          •  LNG terminals are no longer required (0+ / 0-)

            either for liquefaction or re-gassification (regas). The industry has come up with floating LNG vessels that can be put in place very quickly.

            The largest ship in the world is now the Prelude. It is a floating natural gas liquefaction plant.

            I predict a huge increase in US fracked gas exports in the coming years to offset Russia's hold on European energy supplies. We can wrap the American flag around it and call it "Freedom Gas". It will become un-American to oppose fracking when it is spreading freedom and democracy around the world.

            I'm sure the current public opposition to fracking can be overcome in a few months if FOX, CNN, WaPo and the NYT frame it to the unwashed masses correctly. They can treat it like a war effort to ensure America's greatness in the world.

            http://gcaptain.com/...

            March 6 (Bloomberg) — Liquefied natural gas suppliers are readying for increased demand from European countries seeking to diversify access to the fuel amid concern about Russian shipments after its military intervention in Ukraine.
            ...
            “It will create an extra push in demand,” he said in an interview in Oslo yesterday. “It will put even more focus on energy independence, especially on gas. The only way you can be independent on gas is to import LNG.”

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