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  •  They were also the same words said ten years (2+ / 0-)
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    ago, and by a number of other people. And I don't know if you noticed, but Estonia didn't just have a massive political upheaval and isn't about to have one. They are firmly in the EU and NATO.

    And Russia already had around 20k troops in Crimea, they didn't have to invade, they were already there. It's pretty easy to extrapolate that this is a completely different situation.

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 11:59:41 AM PDT

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    •  Good points! (1+ / 0-)
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      Thank you! Your analysis is reassuring.  :-)

      "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

      by LordMike on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 12:05:41 PM PDT

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      •  What AoT doesn't seem to realize (1+ / 0-)
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        Is 20,000 troops on leased land, on their bases, is not the same as 20,000 troops crawling all over sovereign territory, unarmed and unidentified, digging trenches, laying down land mines, and putting through one-choice-only referendum under the barrel of a gun.

        Political unrest and a changing of the administration is a moot point. Much like Mexico wouldn't have any right to annex border states during a hotly protested election here.

        You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means.

        by weathertop on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 01:32:51 PM PDT

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        •  A revolution with more than a hundred dead (0+ / 0-)

          is nothing like a disputed election, especially when the president flees the country and the new government moves to make it illegal to use Russian as the official language. And the point of the troops isn't that it makes it acceptable to annex Crimea, it makes it an entirely different situation than in Estonia. There's no way Russia is going to surround bases in Estonia. Russia wouldn't make it over the border without getting hit hard. It's just a completely different situation.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 01:50:26 PM PDT

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        •  You mean, like the U.S. did to Mexico? (0+ / 0-)
          Much like Mexico wouldn't have any right to annex border states
          For what it's worth, perhaps Mexican-Americans in these states are looking forward to the day when they constitute a majority of the population.

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