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  •  why shouldn't NATO expand? (2+ / 0-)
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    weathertop, LordMike

    The Baltic States wanted in, and the Europeans were interested in welcoming them into European institutions.  Why Russia gets a say in agreements betwen Europe and countries not named Russia makes little sense.  Since when does Moscow get a veto over what Latvia does?  Are you suggesting that the US should get a veto over what El Salvador does?

    Besides, if RUssia didn't have some notion it might attack the Baltic States, why on earth should it worry about a defensive alliance incorporating the Baltic States.  Obviously, Moscow isn't exactly up to anything good here

    •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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      francophile

      Are you suggesting that the US should get a veto over what El Salvador does?

      I suggest you ask Cuba or Panama about that....   Or 1980s Nicaragua or Grenada, or 1950s Guatemala, well, it's a substantial list.  Legally justified?  Probably not, but unless you can explain how a sternly worded letter citing international law will suffice to make a great power back off on an issue it cares about in its own neighborhood, I suggest that considering Russian or American interests would be wise.

      As my attorney wife likes to say, "Law school teaches you about what you can do, but real life law is about knowing what you should do".   I.e., let the wookie win.

      Might does not make right, but it does make reality.  

      •  Sure (0+ / 0-)

        But I find it interesting that a lot of people who oppose the US treatment of Cuba and the rest of Latin America are in fact quite supportive of Russia's attitudes and approaches.

        But yes, the consideration of the interests of those you are most likely to end up in a war with from admitting countries to NATO is wise enough.  Still, I think it was a good thing that NATO didn't shrink back from doing the right thing here.   After all, if Russia were serious about respecting the integrity of its neighbors, then there wouldn't really be a problem.  The fact that Russia objected is rather revealing, I think.

        •  Most every American supports the US (0+ / 0-)

          version of what Russia has done. As illustrated by the fact that we've still got Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California in the union. All that expansionism happened years ago so it doesn't really count, or something.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 04:37:22 PM PDT

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          •  I wonder (2+ / 0-)
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            AoT, francophile

            if Mexico invaded Arizona to protect spanish language speakers how folks would feel about it.

            •  I bet the conservatives swooning over Putin (0+ / 0-)

              would love it.

              Although I can only imagine what would happen if China and Cuba were dumping millions into non-governmental organizations supporting "communization" in Mexico as well. Oh, I can only imagine.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 05:14:07 PM PDT

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