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  •  Wonderful diary. Thanks. (8+ / 0-)

    I was raised a southern Baptist in a small Texas town. But I would often go to the Methodist church with some of my friends. Things seemed to be so calm, clear and logical there. Now I know why.

    By the way, what is the position of the Methodist church on homosexuality?

    Thanks again, I will let some of my Methodist friends know about your diary. I will be very interested to hear what they think.

    The best sermon I ever heard was at a Methodist church in downtown Fort Worth nearly fifty years ago. It was in the evening, and the preacher opened and closed with these words: "May God have mercy on us. Good night."

    Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

    by hestal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 04:08:45 PM PDT

    •  Thank you. (10+ / 0-)

      As for your question:

      By the way, what is the position of the Methodist church on homosexuality?
      It's in flux. The church is fighting over this issue right now. In the 1970s, anti-homosexual language was put into the book of discipline, and we've been trying to remove it.

      If it were up to American and European churches, that language would be removed, but the african churches are providing a bulwark against the vote.

      Currently Methodists are focusing on disobeying antihomosexual teachings. We're fighting. And even though it's going to take a few years for all the old white people to die, American Churches will eventually be able to push this over the top, and establish marriage equality for the whole church.

      And I do mean old white people. Black American churches are just as divided as white ones on this issue, it's the African churches (including the ones with Afrikaaners in them) that are causing the problem.

      One of our heroes on this issue is Rev. Jimmy Creech, who is a family friend. I was shown a picture of him holding me as a baby just a few months ago, and he taught my parents when they were in seminary.

      For an in-depth post on the subject, see my rather emotional response to recent issues here.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 04:29:36 PM PDT

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      •  I am an old white man. I was born before (3+ / 0-)

        World War II. All my Methodist friends are old as well. The last time I talked to one of them about this question was a few years ago and he said at the time that he hoped they would vote to remove the language.

        On the other hand, I have lots of Baptist friends who are equally old and they would vote to keep the language if the Methodists would allow them to vote.

        Down here in Texas the old joke goes that there are more Baptists than people here.

        Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

        by hestal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 07:40:09 PM PDT

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