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  •  There is a scriptural case (4+ / 0-)

    Though in my opinion it's considerably weaker than the case for 'first breath' laid out in the diary.

    It's the story of the Visitation in Luke. When the pregnant Mary meets with the pregnant Elizabeth, the gestating John the Baptist gives a kick, Elizabeth utters a prophesy, which the text says is prompted by the Holy Spirit. This is where the words of the Hail Mary come from; but in the same passage, Elizabeth says that the baby in her womb leapt for joy at the presence of Jesus.

    I don't see how any exegesis could avoid the conclusion that Jesus and John both had souls at this point of quickening. But since both pregnancies and both births were miraculous from the get-go, it doesn't seem you'd be on firm ground generalizing from them to other fetuses.

    •  The exegesis is that Jesus had a unique (1+ / 0-)
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      route from Heaven to Life. Same for his soul.

      For ordinary humans, Judaic tradition has souls existing in Heaven in the Treasury of Souls. They come through the Chamber of Guf (of Guff, Guph, etc.) and are sent to the human at First Breath.

      Jesus comes to the womb as or with his soul according to the Gospels and to traditional Christian theology.

      He is of God.

      First Breath did not apply to Jesus.

      "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Rand Paul Ryan

      by waterstreet2013 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 04:35:30 AM PDT

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