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  •  But he didn't grab the land (2+ / 0-)
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    He was given it. That's the point here. There are plenty of other examples of expansionism that aren't Hitler and there's no reason to bring Hitler up unless the goal is to demonize Putin.

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 11:12:42 AM PDT

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    •  that to me is semantics (0+ / 0-)

      A lot of noise was made, 'votes' were cast and the world backed off and let Hitler have is way. In anything Putin's been more aggressive with moving troops in and such.

      Der Weg ist das Ziel

      by duhban on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 11:17:11 AM PDT

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      •  and I would point out (0+ / 0-)

        that the Crimea 'voted' too just like Austria did.

        Der Weg ist das Ziel

        by duhban on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 11:17:35 AM PDT

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        •  A vast majority of Austrians wanted to be (0+ / 0-)

          a part of Germany and were barred by the Treaty of Versaille. There was actual broad support for joining Germany for many years prior to WWII. That doesn't justify the annexation, but it makes it completely different than the case of Crimea.

          And again, why can't people look at any number of other historical parallels that aren't the Nazis? We could look to plenty of examples throughout history and yet Hitler is the only example that doesn't get attacked as apologia. I've pointed out the similarities with the annexation of New Mexico. In fact it this is far more similar to that than to Germany prior to WWII.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 11:27:15 AM PDT

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      •  No, there weren't votes (1+ / 0-)
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        Certainly not in the case of Sudatenland. It was given to Germany.

        All of the justification for appeasement happened prior to Germany getting the land, all the justification in the case of Crimea has happened after Russia took control.

        In anything Putin's been more aggressive with moving troops in and such.
        In regards to Crimea, somewhat. But seizing one area where you already have a military base is hardly comparable with other nations negotiating to give you large swaths of land.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 11:23:22 AM PDT

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