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  •  My theory on the end of the statement is that (26+ / 0-)

    they don't want you to have something official in hand with future projects to compare with how they want to cut it in the future.  It's all part of the screw them in the fine print with technical changes scam.  

    I'm just really fed up with the Democratic Party's lack of commitment on this issue.  At least the Republicans warn you.  With Democrats you have to read all the footnotes.  Then we keep getting reminded that Hooray!! Old People are going to die!! Then everyone will vote for Democrats!!

    Don't count on it.  

    •  The Last Thing They Want is Everyone Voting Dem. (11+ / 0-)

      What they want is just enough people not voting R to preserve divided deadlocked government, so the Dems aren't under pressure to do anything.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 11:15:34 AM PDT

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      •  The Last Thing They Want is a program (15+ / 0-)

        middle class Americans can agree to support.  The last thing they want is a middle class.

        •  But (5+ / 0-)

          Every step of the way, the middle class has supported the policies that are phasing out the middle class. This generation is weirdly myopic, not grasping how our anti- poor agenda has been wiping out the middle. They call out to Rebuild the Middle Class! Out of what? We looked at the policies and programs that took the US to its height of wealth AND productivity from FDR to Reagan, and chose to reverse course. To save our country, we would need to backtrack all the way to Reagan's deregulation frenzy, restoring reasonable restraints/taxation on corporate powers. We need to impose heavy financial DISincentives on using shipping our jobs out, for example, and strengthen wages AND workers' rights. We would need to provide aid to prevent the jobless from being pushed out of the market entirely (you can't get a job without a home address, bus fare, phone). Instead of this, we get a meaningless cheer-leading session for whatever remains of the middle class.

          •  Reagan did have *one* good idea (1+ / 0-)
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            The notion that we should have more engineers, scientists and other professionals.

            Then, Bush the Greater took office and went with the service economy model.
            Pity, we could have had an R&D economy. We design it, let the cheap labor build it, save for the high end.
            Nope, we have to service the 1%.

            •  Nope, we have to service the 1%. (1+ / 0-)
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              By 'service' you mean suck their Dick$ as well.

              Even Dianne Feinstein wanted her chainedCPI sucked. (If it was for the good of the cuntry.)  

              I for one, don't think old people without car elevators need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied to determine what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use. - Mitt Romney

              by luerwulf on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:43:44 PM PDT

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              •  Romney's Statement (0+ / 0-)

                Yes this would represent the attitude of Romney and most other republican politicians.  Discard the worked-out poor Retiree then give $88 million in Substities to the Kock brothers.  We really need to overturn  "Citizens United"

      •  really (0+ / 0-)

        when it was time for my social security I went to the office and noticed there were few seniors there. it appeared to me most and many were young were there for the money.

        that said Americans have wars to fight so something must be cut to keep the industrial military complex and the intelligence complex intact.

        take the money from the seniors and the young it is the American way. christian thing?

        Jesus time for a return trip this  time make it America ok.

        I attend a fundamentalist church with a friend often and they offer once a year a blood pressure  check and most if not all voted against universal health care for all.

        they actually think a  free blood pressure check once a year is some kind of christian thing.

        all empires if not defeated in a war self destruct from arrogance, selfishness and arrogance.

        •  Social Security office (1+ / 0-)
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          Didn't it occur to you that young people go to the Social Security office to pick up and submit  forms for elderly and disabled people?  They are the representatives (their children or case workers) of those whose health makes it difficult to do this, themselves.  Also, many younger workers need to stop off at the Social Security administration for a wide variety reasons, from obtaining new Social Security cards to printouts of their records.

        •  Social Security office! Not just for the elderly! (5+ / 0-)

          Conservators have to frequent SS offices for the people they are conservators for (my boss goes there a couple of times a month as she is a conservator for a several elderly people.)  The last time I was there, I was 32 and changing my name because I got married.  The number of young people you saw really means not a lot.

          Also, this thing you're doing where you're getting angry that the "young were there for the money" isn't a good idea as it plays right into the Republican playbook of divide and conquer.  Social Security helps a lot of people who desperately need it and pointing fingers in an accusatory manner is not smart.

          •  Technical point: (1+ / 0-)
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            "conservator" is a state concept.  The corresponding term of art for the SSA is "representative payee".  Been there, done that, but they didn't give me a T-shirt.  I'm not complaining.  They were overcrowded and understaffed, of course (thanks, GOP!) but very efficient.

        •  I'm glad that you asked them why they were there (2+ / 0-)
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          And didn't guess a reason.

          My wife and I have been to the social insecurity office several times in our lives.
          First, when we got married, as she had to change her name. Then, we had children and registered them. How evil of us! It was all for the money, you know!
          Most recently, it was so my wife could get disability. She was certified as disabled, but since I own a house we're not living in (it had every bit of copper wire and pipe stolen while I was deployed), she isn't eligible to collect.

          It isn't often that I feel the urge to slap an elder in the back of the head, but today is one of those less than a handful of times.
          Out of over five decades of life.

          •  Disability Eligibility (0+ / 0-)

            Your wife must have applied for SSI.  SSI is income/asset restricted.  SSDI does not have those restrictions.  I get Social Security Disability Insurance program payments, so I know this for a fact. The SSA doesn't care if I own a home, or other assets.  I could win the lottery and it wouldn't affect my SSDI payments.  The only thing they would care about would be if I was working.  But if I could still work, I wouldn't be getting SSDI, and I would much rather work than receive SSDI because I made a heck of a lot more from working.

        •  Didn't we pay for this "contract"? (0+ / 0-)

          I paid into Social Security from my first after school job and for over 5 decades. I paid into Medicare. Now that it's time, I'm taxed 100% for what I paid into Medicare and Social Security. As I recall, I never got a dime of interest on either program. I'm also paying for back up insurance.
          If the GOP want to continue to gut this program, why not gut it for those who never worked a day in their lives? If the GOP want to revoke, or be in breach of contract, fine. They can pay me back every dime I paid into both programs and with reasonable interest for 5+ decades. I'd live better than I do now. While they refuse to tax much of the money the 1% make in investments, they'll gladly rob us and tax us twice.
           Just as the GOP robbed the Postal workers and gutted great jobs, in a program that never cost tax payers a dime: this GOP only wants to take the money we paid, interest free, to subsidies the Koch's life style and those like them. They don't mind out of control Military contractor fraud in the billions, but give back the money we paid for decades, to them, makes us "takers"?? Really?
          Instead of it being politically correct to call us Moochers, why don't we call the GOP what they are? Parasites that will do and say anything even if it insults our intelligence as they do nothing and take from the public they are supposed to 'serve" every thing they can get for free, including their own pensions( also free on us).

    •  I would urge ALL OF US (8+ / 0-)

      to share that page on every social media we utilize. TELL people that those statements went away but they can be had online.

      We were just talking about it the other day, wondering where those had gone--we figured right, thinking it was "budget cuts".  Bastards.
       

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 12:36:34 PM PDT

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    •  Actually (1+ / 0-)
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      A faction of the Dem Party (the Clinton Democrats) have been working to "reform" the New Deal (Social Security) incrementally, the way they "reformed" the Great Society  (welfare aid).  Every time retirees have been stirred up with supposed threats to retirement, govt has quietly cut away at disability.  Democrats then declare that they have Saved Social Security! (for retirees), and repeat the game with the next budget. As long as there is no wide push-back, Democrats will phase out Social Security one piece at a time, the way they did with welfare.

      Anticipating howls that these are two different issues: Please note that what came to be called AFDC was originally written into FDR's Social Security Act. This was already eliminated, and Bill Clinton took significant steps to phase out disability aid (with Clinton's harmful policies finally being reversed by President Obama). Many of the disabled had paid into Social Security for years before becoming disabled, as did their parents, spouses, and all their relatives.

    •  AMEN! (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm too late to rec your comment, greenbell, but I wanted to voice my vociferate support.  I'm tired of corporate Dems' smug assumption that we have no alternative for redress on populist issues, no matter how high a percentage of we in the Dem base value those issues.

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