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  •  Snowden is treason. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Really? Aren't you the one who wrote (3+ / 0-)
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      "The base is not concerned with Snowden or Greenwald" in a diary comment just two days ago?

      Inside of me are two dogs. One is mean and evil. The other is gentle and good. The two dogs fight all the time. Which dog wins? The one I feed the most.

      by bakeneko on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:21:38 PM PDT

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    •  You really hate the constitution, don't you? n/t (4+ / 0-)
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      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:22:40 PM PDT

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      •  Where is the constitutional issue? The diary (1+ / 0-)
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        references "foreign system administrators".

        "Because I am a river to my people."

        by lordcopper on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:25:13 PM PDT

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        •  Treason is the constitutional issue (3+ / 0-)
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          It's the one crime defined therein.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:29:02 PM PDT

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          •  Indeed, that's why Aldrich Ames was charged with (1+ / 0-)
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            espionage rather than treason, for his crimes didn't meet the constitutional definition of treason.  He was still a "traitor" though (spied for USSR against the US, and CIA "assets" were murdered as a result).

            Neither "traitor" nor its root "betrayal" are defined in the constitution.  Above, the poster should have said "betrayal" or "traitor" rather than "treason".  Not saying I would agree with it, just saying that had the poster done that, then he would not have run into constitutional problems wrt to the word "treason".

            •  The comment was (2+ / 0-)
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              "Snowden is treason"

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:42:46 PM PDT

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              •  And said commenter has quite a history here (0+ / 0-)

                of Bizarro World purity trolling, namecalling and ad hominem attacks, eruptions of profanity, telling people they don't belong here and what Daily Kos is all about, all while migrating back and forth with no apparent pattern between incoherent rants that read as if they were composed by a Markov Generator with Tourettes, and perfectly normal English that sounds disturbingly familiar...

                Inside of me are two dogs. One is mean and evil. The other is gentle and good. The two dogs fight all the time. Which dog wins? The one I feed the most.

                by bakeneko on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 11:05:22 PM PDT

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        •  The diary also suggests (correctly) (2+ / 0-)
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          a Constitutional issue with sysadmins of foreign networks who are American citizens.

        •  If I may ... (3+ / 0-)
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          As a non-American it's my distinct impression the US no longer really cares about human rights, unless only Americans are human.

          With attitudes like yours, I wish the US IT industry success in the future because they will need it since no one outside the USA trusts these American companies any longer and we really have other choices.

          We will vote with our feet. It is already happening.

          You may also note other countries have constitutions and when you hack into our computers on our land you are breaking our laws and we don't have to stand for it.

          If you are really comfortable with the US as a rouge nation, enjoy your slide down the slippery slope - you are well on the way.

          29C3:  Not My Department - Jacob Appelbaum hits it out of the park

          DEF CON 21 - Panel - The ACLU Presents NSA Surveillance

          30C3: Through a PRISM, Darkly - Everything we know about NSA spying - Opsahl, EFF

          30C3: Backdoors, Government Hacking and The Next Crypto Wars - Soghoian, ACLU

          30C3: To Protect And Infect Part 1 - The militarization of the Internet

          30C3: To Protect And Infect Part 2 - Jacob Applebaum on NSA Tools

          Nice work, assholes.

          No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

          by koNko on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 10:59:17 PM PDT

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          •  The tech firm heads were at the White House (0+ / 0-)

            again on Friday. The President will be in Europe next week

            There is no existence without doubt.

            by Mark Lippman on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:02:00 AM PDT

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          •  You'll continue to use US IT for the same reasons (0+ / 0-)

            you always did, because it is the most innovative.  

            BTW, other countries engage in surveillance/espionage against the U.S., or are collaborating with the U.S. to surveil their populations.  Furthermore, I'm not so happy with attitudes like yours either. I'm tired of my country paying the freight in lives, money, and focus to maintain global security.  Pull your own weight and maybe we can focus on more peaceful concerns.

            "Because I am a river to my people."

            by lordcopper on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:14:08 AM PDT

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    •  Black is white. War is peace. Slavery is freedom. (5+ / 0-)

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