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  •  I never expect to get recs. This is not the same (3+ / 3-)

    activist, reality based community it was when I last read it in mid 2008, before I moved over seas. Since BHO took office, wishful thinking has replaced critical thinking. This is where I come for entertainment and to throw peanuts inside the monkey cage.

    New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

    by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:30:20 PM PDT

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    •  Ah. Monkey cage, eh? Hmmm. Wonder why (4+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, sagesource, rbird, Bonsai66

      that particular reference...  Hmmmm...

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:59:30 PM PDT

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      •  Okay. How about goat cage? You can get really (0+ / 0-)

        close to the goats!!!

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 06:05:26 PM PDT

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    •  If that's how you feel... (4+ / 0-)

      ...why don't you just lurk quietly and enjoy your contempt privately?

      Then you won't have people leaving snide comments.

      Better yet, why don't you contribute positively and write what you think we ought to be doing, instead of posting inflammatory remarks, I'll betcha you have more than a few positive ideas, and I'd read what you have to say, even if I disagree.

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:11:43 PM PDT

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      •  I love the snide comments. That's what passes (1+ / 0-)
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        Jazzenterprises

        for deep thought nowadays. And diaries that go into detail about policy or even campaigns get hijacked and turned into mindless pie fights. I have accepted that. Things change.

        Having a Dem prez has definitely had an affect on the community.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:26:56 PM PDT

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      •  yeah, emulating redstate will fix things (1+ / 0-)
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        RichterScale

        we'll all be on the same piece of music marching in sync.

        let's push out those that step out of the line or just aren't pure enough to cut the mustard.

        let's send out talking points to queue people in on the way the wind is blowing.

        think of the morale that will come from knowing we all belong to a big echo chamber.

        I want everyone who isn't with the program to hand in your Junior Birdman glasses right now.

    •  So you admit you're here to troll? (6+ / 0-)

      A:  Glad you can admit it.

      B:   I'm sorry to inform you that your admission just earned you a donut.  I like honestly - really.  But I hate trolls.

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:46:01 PM PDT

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      •  Not to troll. To add a dose of reality when (0+ / 0-)

        the wishful thinking gets out of control.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:44:25 AM PDT

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        •  Throwing peanuts into the monkey cage... (5+ / 0-)

          is not "adding a dose of reality." Agree with Darth that snidely stating you only come for entertainment and adding insults is trollish.

          •  Go through my comments. I do a lot more than (0+ / 0-)

            throw peanuts into the cages. But its cute that you and "Darth" agree.

            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:00:29 AM PDT

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          •  2nd time in as many days a troll has (4+ / 5-)

            slipped and admitted trolling and said 'what, who me?' when called out on it.

            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:18:30 AM PDT

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            •  Calling me a troll and... (3+ / 0-)
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              poligirl, triv33, angel d

              Lying about what I said gets you an HR.




              Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

              by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 01:46:09 PM PDT

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              •  LOL, who's the blog nanny/rule breaker now? (4+ / 0-)

                While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:47:06 PM PDT

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                •  you are. nt (4+ / 0-)
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                  DeadHead, triv33, angel d, TheMomCat

                  "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                  by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:48:04 PM PDT

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                •  Cite the rule... (3+ / 0-)
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                  triv33, poligirl, angel d

                  I broke, please.

                  And no, pushing back against your lies and calling me a troll isn't "blog nannying."




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:34:02 PM PDT

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                  •  Yes it is, I do less and you call me 'Enforcer'. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Timaeus

                    I'm just going by your set standards, Deadhead! Does it not feel great when you're on the receiving end?

                    While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                    by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:36:12 PM PDT

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                    •  Ah, so you just admitted you're being vindictive (2+ / 0-)
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                      poligirl, angel d

                      Thanks for clearing that up.

                      Now, what rule did I break?

                      You broke three.

                      1) Insult.
                      2) Lie.
                      3) dragging shit in from another diary.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:43:29 PM PDT

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                      •  you don't get to hide comments about yourself (4+ / 0-)

                        it's really that simple.

                        If it was otherwise I'd be hide rating you all the time for lying about me.

                        Der Weg ist das Ziel

                        by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:45:26 PM PDT

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                        •  No shit Duhban. Nt (2+ / 0-)
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                          mahakali overdrive, poco

                          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                          by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:46:35 PM PDT

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                        •  Cite where it's stated in the rules, then. (2+ / 0-)
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                          poligirl, angel d

                          If it's that "simple."




                          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                          by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:23:08 PM PDT

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                          •  you love rules when you think you can use them (1+ / 0-)
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                            Timaeus

                            and pretend they don't exist when you can't.

                            If you want to pretend it's okay for you to hide anyone that says things about you that you don't like then you would have no complaints when I do it for all the lies you tell about me right?

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:42:41 PM PDT

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                          •  Cite the rule, please. (2+ / 0-)
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                            angel d, poligirl




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:27:17 PM PDT

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                          •  Done. below. (3+ / 0-)
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                            poco, duhban, fcvaguy

                            If you want to summon elfling, feel free.

                            But those are the rules from the site's most current update that I've seen on this point.

                            Remove your HR. It would be considered "retaliatory."

                            From the website's serviceable rules portion, sanctioned by Hunter and others, and not updated in any way, shape, or form:

                            do not troll rate fights that you yourself are in.
                            Additionally,
                            Do not troll rate someone you are actively having a fight with. If you are in a heated argument with someone, you should not be judging whether or not what they say is trollworthy. Leave it to others to decide what behavior is or isn't over the line.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:32:22 PM PDT

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                          •  Um... (1+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl

                            GGGE posted a comment to someone else about me. I replied to that comment stating the reason for my HR.

                            That isn't being "in a heated exchange with someone," and no, other subthreads in the same diary don't count, or else plenty of people would be in violation of that rule in large diaries where someone posts an HRable comment somewhere when they had commented at them elsewhere in the same diary.

                            Tell you what, you HR GGGE for calling me a troll, misrepresenting my comment that he dragged in from another diary, and I'll remove it.

                            Also, you can chastise the upraters of that blatantly rule-violating comment too, if you want.

                            Thanks for your impartial attention to this matter.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:07:06 PM PDT

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                          •  um, he wasn't in the fight if you parent up MO... (1+ / 0-)
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                            DeadHead

                            be careful what you're defending...

                            DH was not in the convo till GGGE called him out. he replied when HRing...

                            pay attention.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:13:17 PM PDT

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                          •  Ignore it (0+ / 0-)

                            Sometimes bantering with a troll is fun, but for the most part, trolls just waste people's time.  It's best to ignore them.

                          •  Hunter, 2008... (2+ / 0-)
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                            poco, duhban
                            Do not troll rate someone you are actively having a fight with. If you are in a heated argument with someone, you should not be judging whether or not what they say is trollworthy. Leave it to others to decide what behavior is or isn't over the line.
                            That has been the rule here since I joined. If it's been changed, I am not aware of that, and the changes aren't easy to find, although this was since it was right in Hunter's classic exegesis on dealing with trolls, which include "otherwise good Kossacks having a bad day." When the day turns into more than a day, then it's considered trolling. Either way, the rule is that you cannot HR someone you are in heated conversation with, as above.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:29:49 PM PDT

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                          •  he's not actively having a fight with him... (1+ / 0-)
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                            DeadHead

                            you know better than that. all it takes is parenting up to see that MO. you are in the wrong and this thread has already been sent to the help desk.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:14:25 PM PDT

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                          •  Good (1+ / 0-)
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                            doroma

                            I am not in the wrong; I've seen these two it. I have seen DeadHead engage in hardcore trollish behavior in Ray Pensor (now banned) diaries, along with Kombema, in tandem (also banned now). I have not seen GGGE engage in that behavior but it' possible that he is. I'm glad the helpdesk will be assisting you all. I know what I would do but that is neither here nor there.

                            Everything I know about site rules, I learned from Meteor Blades.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:56:54 PM PDT

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                          •  Just make sure that you are applying those rules (1+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl

                            learned from Meteor Blades in a fair manner. Remember to check your bias as it is showing.

                            "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

                            by temptxan on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:11:13 AM PDT

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                          •  I would not disservice the site (1+ / 0-)
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                            doroma

                            nor Meteor Blades, who has frequently been accused of "bias" besides. I feel for him on that count.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:16:39 AM PDT

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                          •  you claimed that he was engaged when he HRd. (0+ / 0-)

                            why are you lying now then MO? you were not right on that count. it doesn't surprise me that you won't admit it though even though it's plain for everyone to see.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:02:00 AM PDT

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                          •  Trolling (0+ / 0-)

                            I have seen deadhead trolling in a number of diaries. Why is this person still operating?  I'm new to this site, and I just want to understand.

                        •  no that's not the rule. the rule is comments by a (2+ / 0-)
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                          DeadHead, angel d

                          person you care in a convo with, and he wasn't in a convo with GGGE when he HRd him. his response instigated the convo.

                          i'm surprised at raptavio and fcvaguy uprating a clearly HRable comment.

                          wait, no i'm not. special rules for special people...

                          "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                          by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:27:12 PM PDT

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                          •  as I said (1+ / 0-)
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                            Timaeus

                            I'm sure you'll defend me when I do it to Deadhead when he lies about me right?

                            I'm so sick of you and your group defending bullies and bullshit and then pretending you are actually the victim.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:43:33 PM PDT

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                          •  You've lost sight... (2+ / 0-)
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                            angel d, poligirl

                            Of the problem.

                            This is the problem.

                            Unprovoked shit-talking.

                            By the way, how did you stumble across this dead thread argument, out of curiosity?

                            You've magically appeared in two disputes I've been involved in over the last few days, both involving this same person.

                            Quite the coincidence. Seems you've got some new "friends."




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:21:57 PM PDT

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                          •  I'm like a zombie and a day late (2+ / 0-)
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                            DeadHead, poligirl

                            to every party.

                            That's how I'm here.

                            ;-)

                          •  you of all people want to talk about shit talking? (0+ / 0-)

                            YOU of all people? You who delights in attacking others?!? You who delights in dancing as close to the line of passive aggressive trolling?!? You who harasses and 'follows' people around?

                            Good gods I think you just broke irony clean in twine.

                            As to the rest Deadhead isn't is obvious? The secret daily kos code gremlins notified me that you were continuing your pattern of flaming out. Or was it the daily kos unicorn? You know I can't really remember but both have it out for you. You should watch out that unicorn is dangerous.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 07:54:39 PM PDT

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                          •  nobody's flaming out, but it's pretty clear DH has (1+ / 0-)
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                            DeadHead

                            a whole pack of people trying to get rid of him. you included. keep it up.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:15:37 PM PDT

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                          •  I notice you keep ducking my question (0+ / 0-)

                            does that mean you're aware of your hypocrisy?

                            As to your accusation there, I've never tried to get rid of deadhead. Even now after more than a year of harassment of bullying by Deadhead I still am not calling for anything to happen to DeadHead.

                            But please keep trying to tell people that it's poor poor Deadhead who is really the victim.  

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:08:34 PM PDT

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                          •  duhban... (1+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl

                            Go find something else to do, okay?

                            No one cares about your petty grudges.

                            All you're doing is whining about crap and using this as some kind of opportunity to exact revenge on me for my calling you out on your disruptive behavior in the past.

                            Really, I get it.

                            You think you've somehow magically achieved some kind of moral standing.

                            Sorry, but your revisionism and continued lying about me "following people around" will find you "flaming out" long before I do.

                            If anyone's following people around, it's you, following me. This is twice now in as many days.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:19:20 PM PDT

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                          •  rofl (0+ / 0-)

                            Again you the king of bringing up the past want to now act like you're some sort of victim?

                            Gods you really are that arrogant aren't you?

                            Even now DeadHead you're the one starting conversations with me not the other way around. And if you try and claim otherwise I'll be sure to remind you of your words the next time you try and claim the other side of that argument.

                            See that's the problem with being a hypocrite, no matter how hard you try you can not have it both ways.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:11:47 PM PDT

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                      •  Only if you're admitting (again) to being (0+ / 0-)

                        vindictive, does what I wrote constitute that.

                        1. Truth
                        2. Truth
                        3. Something you do weekly in your comments.

                        Again, how is it different than your daily activities here, Deadhead?

                        While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                        by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:46:09 PM PDT

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            •  HRd for lying and calling DH a troll. he was not (3+ / 0-)
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              DeadHead, triv33, angel d

              trolling whatsoever yesterday and even though it was explained to you.

              i suggest anyone who is wondering go look at all of Deadhead's comments in that diary yesterday as well as the time stamps of them and JM's ding and run of him. that's where you'll find that GGE is majorly misrepresenting here because he has some kind of vendetta against DH.

              stop the harassment GGGE.

              "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

              by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:46:16 PM PDT

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              •  Deadhead commented at me over 7 times yesterday. (3+ / 0-)
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                mahakali overdrive, duhban, Timaeus

                Who's the real problem here?

                While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:47:56 PM PDT

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                •  you are. nt (3+ / 0-)
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                  DeadHead, triv33, angel d

                  "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                  by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:48:31 PM PDT

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                  •  so when Deadhead calls me a troll (4+ / 0-)

                    and I hide him you'll defend my decision too right?

                    Der Weg ist das Ziel

                    by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:44:45 PM PDT

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                    •  LOL. They don't claim to be unbiased. (1+ / 0-)
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                      Timaeus

                      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                      by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:48:16 PM PDT

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                    •  I've called out your "trolling" (2+ / 0-)
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                      angel d, poligirl

                      I haven't called you a "troll." I know the difference, and know that one is HRable and one isn't.

                      And I didn't HR GGGE for saying I was "trolling" elsewhere in this diary or others, for that matter.

                      He crossed the line when he actually called me a troll and lied about something I said in another diary.

                      At this point, it's clear you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so please, don't bother weighing in.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:33:11 PM PDT

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                      •  you dice words so thinly they lose all meaning (1+ / 0-)
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                        Timaeus

                        It's almost entertaining.

                        Der Weg ist das Ziel

                        by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:44:43 PM PDT

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                        •  No. (2+ / 0-)
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                          angel d, poligirl

                          We've had this discussion before, duhban.

                          It's well-established here on this site that describing behavior and actual name-calling are different.

                          You didn't get it then, and it's clear you don't get it now. Not surprising.




                          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                          by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:49:01 PM PDT

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                          •  the only things that was established are (3+ / 0-)
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                            GoGoGoEverton, Timaeus, fcvaguy

                            That you think yourself too clever.

                            That you think people don't see you for who and what you really are.

                            That when they do you can bluster you way out of the messes you make.

                            Oh and personally I think it's only a matter of time before you either storm out of here or finally get yourself banned. You keep pushing the limits here and eventually you will get into trouble even by the lose rules of this site.

                            I suppose it's also established you don't understand that in community moderation it's the community not you that judges comments made about you.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:56:11 PM PDT

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                          •  I've said the same thing. DeadHead is on a very (3+ / 0-)
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                            GoGoGoEverton, duhban, fcvaguy

                            predictable trajectory.  Pride goeth before a fall.  We've seen this exact pattern MANY times here.  He, himself, is clueless about that.

                          •  Yeah, well... (2+ / 0-)
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                            angel d, poligirl

                            At least you aren't insulting duhban and HRing him anymore, like you used to.

                            Seems you've found common cause with him.

                            Talk about a flip-flopper.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:59:44 PM PDT

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                          •  And what the fuck difference does any of that (3+ / 0-)
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                            duhban, fcvaguy, ord avg guy

                            make about your own trollish behavior?

                          •  It makes a lot of difference... (2+ / 0-)

                            Because it shows your motives in all of this.

                            I didn't troll anything.

                            GGGE posted a comment about me. And now you're siding with a person you once viewed similarly to the rest of us, who's had two timeouts for his behavior, even, simply because he's taking the side against someone you don't like — me.

                            Try not to be so obvious, Timaeus.

                            You throw the very same people who advocated for your reinstatement under the bus simply because they don't agree with you, so why should your opinion in this be considered honest?




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:26:51 PM PDT

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                          •  Deadhead lives in a binary world (2+ / 0-)
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                            Timaeus, ord avg guy

                            as such he can simply not understand that people can and do disagree heatedly.

                            Either that or he's just throwing everything against the wall and hoping something sticks.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:16:12 PM PDT

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                          •  Um, duhban... (1+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl

                            You're missing some backstory here, and have inadvertently gotten your "sides" mixed up.

                            If anything, you're making the case against Timaeus for incidents about which you clearly have no knowledge.

                            That's what happens when you hastily stick your nose into matters that don't concern you — you end up embarrassing yourself.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:49:12 PM PDT

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                      •  Not distinct in the eyes of the site (1+ / 0-)
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                        fcvaguy

                        A troll can be a good Kossack who "is trolling" that day too. The site rules about this are crystal clear.

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                        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:33:49 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  thanks for parachuting in. i would suggest you (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          DeadHead

                          pay more attention to DeadHead's contributions that are substantial here at Dkos rather than harassing him when a certain few who don't like him come after him.

                          almost all of DH's posts that you don't like are reactionary rather than instigating. and don't think admin won't look at that.

                          "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                          by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:19:47 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                        •  Yet... (1+ / 0-)
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                          poligirl

                          People get HR'd for this all the time:

                          You are a troll.
                          whereas they don't for this:
                          You're trolling.
                          So yes, name-calling is different than describing behavior. The rules are indeed crystal clear about this.

                          And no one has explained how or where I was actually trolling in the first place.

                          Would you care to?




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                          by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:37:02 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Would I care to moderate this debate (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy

                            Is that what you're asking me to do, as a TU?

                            If so, let me know. I would be glad to describe the exact thing that I perceive with 100% accuracy and links for moderation to review. Is that what you would like me to do? I am entirely fair about this matter and will report correctly upon it.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:39:50 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Yes, I should trust you to be fair. (1+ / 0-)
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                            That's why you're getting involved in this in the first place, ignoring GGGE's comment and his behavior, and focusing on mine.

                            Because you're clearly unbiased.

                            Tell you what, you do what you gotta do, okay?

                            At least do the honorable thing and make your moderation thread public, so I can offer a rebuttal.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:34:05 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That would be inappropriate (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy

                            1.) It would be a call-out diary
                            2.) It would be more meta drama
                            3.) I'm calling it as I see it while trying to ask questions for which I'm not being answered, which is a clear account from both of you.
                            4.) Moderation has already been alerted, as per the helpdesk, so why play "ThunderDome" or whatever? That's patently insulting to my intelligence and everyone else's.
                            5.) You two both have a history of being tit-for-tat, treating each other with animosity for years. Who started it? When? I'd have to go back years to figure that out. So then it's more of an issue of retaliation. And in this case, this was you. If I see that kind of thing, I generally tune it out.
                            6.) Maybe you should take up a hobby of some sort? It might help you chill out a bit more. You seem high-strung sometimes. I mean this kindly. I believe we even used to be friends.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:23:28 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  It's a shame to see you take the wrong side, (5+ / 0-)

                    and to do it so aggressively, poligirl.  You're just wrong wrong wrong on all of this.

                    •  Where'd you come from, all of the sudden? (2+ / 0-)
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                      Not via the hiddens, because the comment isn't hidden.

                      Just browsing dead diaries, eh?

                      What's a shame is you giving a pass to the behavior above by GGGE, Timaeus.

                      I did NOTHING to deserve his bullshit comment about me.

                      Being yet another of my "fans" makes your appearance here now quite unsurprising.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:54:40 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  no Timaeus. i've been around for a long time (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      DeadHead

                      and i've run other blogs doing admin and i can't tell you how wrong you are here. the only time you engage DH is when he's already being beaten down. it might behoove you to look at his whole comment history rather than listening to others.

                      "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                      by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:20:57 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                •  Yeah, but... (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  angel d, poligirl

                  I didn't post comments to others indirectly calling you a troll, linking to other comments of yours in other diaries, and accuse you of "trolling" because you happened to disagree with someone.

                  Like you did.




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:37:29 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  So? You're the arbiter now, but I'm the Enforcer? (0+ / 0-)

                    While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                    by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:48:51 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Dude, please. (2+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      angel d, poligirl

                      Stop digging, already.

                      You know what you did, and why you did it.

                      Every comment you make only further confirms this is about you thinking you can get away with breaking rules, and, given your allusions to our previous exchanges, that this is you acting out on a grudge.

                      You started this shit with your comment above, and, rather than own up to it, you're trying to make it about me and my HR of your shit-talking comment.

                      Tell you what, take it to the helpdesk.

                      Just do the honorable thing and make it public so I have a chance to refute whatever BS you offer up.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:44:55 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

            •  We all know (4+ / 0-)

              one isn't allowed to HR a comment about oneself.

              "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

              by raptavio on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:56:52 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I pulled my HR yesterday that was wrong. (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                fcvaguy

                Wonder if Deadhead has the integrity to do the same?

                While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:16:58 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  You called me a troll.. (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  poligirl, TheMomCat

                  Lied about what I said, and dragged shit in from another diary to do it.




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:30:30 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You trolled my pro-Democratic diary. (3+ / 0-)
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                    duhban, fcvaguy, Timaeus

                    Doesn't change the fact that you don't HR someone that has engaged you. I promise I won't mock you for removing it, though you've mocked me TWICE for removing HR's in the past.

                    While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                    by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:34:40 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I didn't engage you. (3+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      triv33, poligirl, TheMomCat

                      That rule applies only when you are in an exchange with some directly in the same subthread.

                      I've had this come up before, and elfling ruled in my favor.

                      And no, I didn't troll your diary. I pointed out two spelling errors on your part, which you ended-up correcting, and you and your pals made a big fucking stink about it.

                      You HR'd me in your own diary, which is clearly against the rules.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:49:22 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Bullshit, you responded to my diary. (2+ / 0-)
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                        Timaeus, ord avg guy

                        That's your biggest weakness Deadhead....you won't even stand up for your own behavior...which makes it very cowardly behavior at the end.

                        While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                        by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:54:17 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                      •  Pulled my HR bc it was against the rules. Will u? (1+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        mahakali overdrive

                        Buehler?

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                        by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:55:14 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          poligirl

                          You haven't cited the EXACT rule that prohibits it.

                          Your comment was the problem, not my HR.




                          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                          by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:07:30 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  What a bunch of bullshit! (3+ / 0-)
                          •  Prove it. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:50:41 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You cannot issue a retaliatory HR (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            duhban, GoGoGoEverton

                            even if you aren't actually in conversation with someone, if they insult you, you, yourself, cannot HR that person or it is "retaliatory."

                            That is a rule on this site.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:38:56 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  he wasn't in conversation with him. good gawd (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead

                            parent up ffs.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:22:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  It wasn't retaliatory. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            He didn't HR me, I wasn't in a convo with him in this subthread, and his comment broke three rules, none of which you're addressing, as it happens. If I were "retaliating" I would've HRed one of his comments elsewhere over the last few days, which I didn't do.

                            Yet you're more interested in my HR of a shitty comment than you are in the shitty comment itself.

                            Why?

                            I have no beef with you, and have posted very few comments to you in general, so why are you so biased in this, and, more interestingly, why are you getting involved in the first place?

                            Are you gonna chastise one of the upraters of GGGE's comment, who goes around HRing my comments in dead threads?




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:49:29 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Were you in recent conversation with him (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy, ord avg guy

                            on this site?

                            Also, when you talk, does it generally turn out that way?

                            Two very important questions. Answer accurately.

                            I have no beef with you either, which is why I am able to assess this impartially.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:44:12 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Doesn't matter.... (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl, TheMomCat

                            You can say that about anyone who interacts with a person one day but finds reason to HR a comment of that person's a day later.

                            What's your cut-off time?

                            A week of not talking to a person? Three days?

                            You're making up rules of engagement that aren't present in the rules as written.

                            You want an instance of him HRing me soon after having conversed with him in a previous thread? There's countless counter-examples to be found.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:47:55 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  It's a better question for Meteor Blades (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy, poco

                            I would ask him. I know it's a rule, but if you want to know the exact and specific cut-off time, my perception has been "proximal."

                            Can you show a thread where you've been in a NICE exchange with GGGE? Or have you always been tit-for-tat this way?

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:18:25 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  so you can't HR anyone you've ever been engaged (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            TheMomCat

                            with? or you can't HR someone you were engaged with for the last week? or yesterday?

                            pretty sure the rule is you can't HR someone you're in active conversation with - in that active conversation. but you go ask the help desk. or MB. i'm pretty sure they're gonna back me up on that, cuz i do pay attention to the rules and edicts that go along with this site.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:07:08 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  It's a good question for Meteor Blades (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy

                            I am unclear why you want to interpret it further since clearly neither one of us are sure on the specifics, but I would recommend, if you have an interest in clearing these specifics up, you ask someone who moderated here for many, many years, that person being Meteor Blades.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:42:56 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  i am clear on the specifics. you are the one who (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            TheMomCat

                            thinks it's got a lot of wiggle room.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:55:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I will ask Meteor Blades personally (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            ord avg guy

                            Maybe he can clarify what I cannot.

                            I hope so. You seem very, very invested in this one HR.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:21:53 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  no, i just don't like people who don't know what's (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            TheMomCat

                            going to swoop in and twist rules to fit their perceptions. you forget, i know you as a dishonest arbiter from an HR you gave me a while back.

                            so you go ahead and ask MB to clarify for you. i expect that next time you'll know better.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:41:30 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You sound silly with your chastising (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            ord avg guy

                            tone. I am attempting to clarify something for you. I am relatively sure I'm correct about it, but I'm not wholly sure I am, so I am seeking a better answer.

                            I think when one is even nominally uncertain about something, they ought not be chastised for trying to seek more information; that is a basic, basic critical thinking skill.

                            You're HR complaint ought to be brought to the attention of the helpdesk if you feel it was in error. I usually explain my HR's or uprate an explanation of one, so that's not something to complain to me about: I'm sure I thought it was in accordance with the site rules, which for me count for far more than "gotcha!" games.

                            Good day. You are tedious to me with your pedantic tone, which is impressive coming from someone who enjoys, and engages in, counting commas and in dissecting syntactic anomalies with great vigor.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:08:26 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  i sound silly to you and maybe your friends.... (3+ / 1-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead, LaEscapee, TheMomCat
                            Hidden by:
                            blueyedace2

                            i'll survive.

                            and thanks for bringing out the highfalutin' vocabulary for me. makes you look very smart. kinda smarmy and chastising too, the same thing you're accusing me of. well done.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:32:01 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  My friends? (0+ / 0-)

                            Your presumptions are outrageous in saying this. I am here as a free agent, period.

                            I'm speaking/typing in my normal voice, incidentally. This is how I speak. No one in real life ever comments on it. If the last thing you can think of to chasten me about is an erroneous interpretation of my tone, online no less, then you really ought to check yourself. I've met my share of Kossacks, and none of them ever looked at me like I was spitting it out like Einstein. Although I am an educated woman, something that ought to be celebrated, one would think, amongst Progressives and Leftists. I would hope you'd not have an issue with someone who has a graduate degree in English to the point that you'd wield that as a cudgel against them. If so, your priorities are askew.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:20:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  wow, way to go blueeyedace for you HR abuse. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead, TheMomCat

                            if you HR me, you should HR MO's comment too, or are you just playing sides?

                            just sayin' that's pretty naked abuse there.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:00:59 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  He went to the diary (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            TheMomCat, poligirl

                            I posted last night and hr'd me

                            Typical

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:13:36 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Got a link for this ? (0+ / 0-)

                            If not , its a ...

                            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                            by indycam on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:21:48 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  There is no (0+ / 0-)

                            particular or definite time frame; it is interpreted on a case-by-case basis if posters are "in conversation." The answer is that if you are in conversation, be it from one diary to another or one thread to another or whatever, at the discretion of other community members and other members of (less involved) moderation, then a comment could be perceived as HR abuse and as retaliatory for the reason that I perceive it to be here. Also, if it continued over several diaries, in some cases, depending on how it happened, it would qualify as possible threadstalking which could result in the person who felt threadstalked reporting, to the help desk, evidence of this and having moderation sort through it. Often, however, it's pretty tit-for-tat.

                            And also, right now, it is the community who moderates the most. That's often been the case, which is why I think we should all know, and abide by, the site rules as carefully as possible. Those who don't tend to not last on this site.

                            In short: do not throw retaliatory donuts at people. It is against the site rules. If you aren't sure if your donut is retaliatory, ask yourself if you have prior, recent animosity toward the poster you're considering HR'ing that is pushing you to want to HR them in another thread or diary.

                            How do we define "recent"? On a case-by-case basis as what any reasonable person who was impartial would deem also as "recent," e.g. through common knowledge.

                            Furthermore, if you ever have questions about site rules, ask them of people who know them better than you do: I have always found that any person who has been involved with the site for a long time, particularly in moderation, knows the rules well. It's all Kos' judgment in the end, and he tends to just not suffer fools gladly, as the saying goes, in that he is not reticent to ban people, some whom I've thought, "thank God," and others whom I've grieved the loss of. TU's who have insight and knowledge and who talk with moderation civilly toward trying to improve this site often know the most about how if functions and what flies here.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:52:16 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  MO - i've been here longer than you have - you (0+ / 0-)

                            don't need to explain the rules to me, but thanks.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 12:51:13 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You asked me to get it from the horse's mouth (0+ / 0-)

                            I suppose you reject it as such, and with such one-ups-manship. But you must laugh a little because that was a great gaffe in my view.

                            I can say no more.

                            But I know I am literally cracking up at this one.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 10:20:55 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  actually i didn't. you started ruminating on (0+ / 0-)

                            what the rule actually was and posited that you were not terribly clear on it and that you wanted to get clarification from MB. and you admitted to not knowing much about the situation at hand in the first place.

                            i asked you no such thing. i stated that i knew what the rule was and i was not uncertain as you were and that if you feel the need to ask, then by all means do so.

                            you were confused; i was not. you need to do whatever it is you feel you need to do to get some clarity.

                            glad i could make ya laugh! :D have a good day MO!

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 07:54:09 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  This thread is still running? (0+ / 0-)

                            This comment by MO is too old for me to rec, but I've just seen it and it's great.  It's worthy of being in the FAQ.

                            This part is especially good:

                            In short: do not throw retaliatory donuts at people. It is against the site rules. If you aren't sure if your donut is retaliatory, ask yourself if you have prior, recent animosity toward the poster you're considering HR'ing that is pushing you to want to HR them in another thread or diary.
                            In other words, don't nurse grudges.  I try to follow that principle all the time, but sometimes I slip.
                          •  I'm curious as to why you would say that (0+ / 0-)

                            MO said she was going to ask MB yet when typing her screed never used quotes. Why should anyone believe that the words she typed or any other thing than rules she just made up?

                            Also and MB is not the moderator in case  you forgot. It does seem MO has.

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:53:43 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Huh? My comment has nothing to do with Meteor (0+ / 0-)

                            Blades one way or the other and I didn't mention him or assume anything about where MO got her ideas.

                            I was commending her ideas, wherever they came from.

                            And it doesn't matter whether or not MB is still serving as moderator.  He is the second most influential person on the site, for good reason.

                          •  Then obviously (0+ / 0-)

                            you are not reading the thread.

                             I will ask Meteor Blades personally (1+ / 0-)

                            Maybe he can clarify what I cannot.

                            I hope so. You seem very, very invested in this one HR.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:21:53 PM CDT

                             no, i just don't like people who don't know what's (1+ / 0-)

                            going to swoop in and twist rules to fit their perceptions. you forget, i know you as a dishonest arbiter from an HR you gave me a while back.

                            so you go ahead and ask MB to clarify for you. i expect that next time you'll know better.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:41:30 PM CDT

                             There is no (0+ / 0-)

                            particular or definite time frame; it is interpreted on a case-by-case basis if posters are "in conversation." The answer is that if you are in conversation, be it from one diary to another or one thread to another or whatever, at the discretion of other community members and other members of (less involved) moderation, then a comment could be perceived as HR abuse and as retaliatory for the reason that I perceive it to be here. Also, if it continued over several diaries, in some cases, depending on how it happened, it would qualify as possible threadstalking which could result in the person who felt threadstalked reporting, to the help desk, evidence of this and having moderation sort through it. Often, however, it's pretty tit-for-tat.

                            And also, right now, it is the community who moderates the most. That's often been the case, which is why I think we should all know, and abide by, the site rules as carefully as possible. Those who don't tend to not last on this site.

                            In short: do not throw retaliatory donuts at people. It is against the site rules. If you aren't sure if your donut is retaliatory, ask yourself if you have prior, recent animosity toward the poster you're considering HR'ing that is pushing you to want to HR them in another thread or diary.

                            How do we define "recent"? On a case-by-case basis as what any reasonable person who was impartial would deem also as "recent," e.g. through common knowledge.

                            Furthermore, if you ever have questions about site rules, ask them of people who know them better than you do: I have always found that any person who has been involved with the site for a long time, particularly in moderation, knows the rules well. It's all Kos' judgment in the end, and he tends to just not suffer fools gladly, as the saying goes, in that he is not reticent to ban people, some whom I've thought, "thank God," and others whom I've grieved the loss of. TU's who have insight and knowledge and who talk with moderation civilly toward trying to improve this site often know the most about how if functions and what flies here.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 12:52:16 AM CDT

                            The condensed version.

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 06:08:38 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Nope. I read the whole thread, including all (0+ / 0-)

                            of this. I don't get your point, although I think it must be wrong.

                          •  So you see (1+ / 0-)
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                            the obvious quotation marks that MO applied as proof that those rules were given by MB or statement to that fact?

                            I'll help you out they look like this " "

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:56:58 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You can't help being obnoxious. (0+ / 0-)

                            I assume you're just very young and haven't had much experience with people yet.

                          •  assessing a dispute impartially (2+ / 0-)
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                            would not include tipping only the side in the dispute you most identify with.

                            That's showing strong evidence of favoritism.

                            Showing favoritism happens here all the time but it really does get in the way when you're attempting to pass yourself off as an impartial observer just doing your solemn duty moderating discussions as a trusted user on the site.

                             

              •  Nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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                Cite the rule that prohibits it, please.




                Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:28:46 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Done above. n/t (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  poco

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                  by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:35:21 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Answered above. (1+ / 0-)
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                    poligirl

                    Replace my HR with one from you, and I'll pull it.

                    Otherwise, take it to admin.

                    I don't care at this point. I'm confident they'll take into consideration the original comment, and be fair in their judgement.

                    If elfling or MB tells me to pull it, I will.

                    I will not pull it based on the biased interpretations of people who are known to dislike me.

                    Which is why I don't understand why you're getting involved. I've never had problems with you before, and yet, here you are.

                    Why?




                    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                    by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:04:08 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  One does not HR a voluntary flame war (2+ / 0-)
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                      Have you never read the FAQ?

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                      by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:59:59 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  Involved? (4+ / 0-)

                      I'm a TU in a diary that I've been lurk-reading since it was posted.

                      I believe you've kept afield of me as well. I don't recall HR you, for example, but I've seen you act like a bully to Kossacks whose opinions you differed with. Ofte, even. Often in Ray Pensador's diaries. So I neither like nor dislike you. I view you with zero personal emotion, to be frank and no offense.

                      Of course, you've uprated droves of shitty comments about me, but you know, I have always ignored that because I don't take your posts very seriously in that they are mainly polemic and also, I only see them in the now-banned Ray Pensador diaries, so there, they were highly polemic, and I could probably find instances of you taking issue with me if I wanted.

                      But to be honest, I don't care that much about you, sorry.

                      I think you behave poorly on this site in a way that is counterproductive to its sense of community and site mission, and I feel that you behave this way consistently, although I'm biased again in that I've only read your contributions in Ray's diaries where you may have been different than in other diaries? I guess I should look carefully at your other writing then since I never have. So as to be sure my assessment of you is fair-minded and not biased by how I saw you treat dissenters of (the now banned) Ray Pensador as well as your support of the (now banned) Kombema.

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                      by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:07:53 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Funny... (1+ / 0-)
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                        poligirl

                        You said the same thing to (now banned) kombema just before he got banned.

                        There's a lot of smearing and aspersion-casting in this comment of yours, but no links.

                        Please provide them, or, better yet, stick to the issue at hand, that way you won't come across like you're trying to get me banned, too.

                        Because that's what it's looking like to me, right now.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:02:55 AM PDT

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                        •  I have no compunctions about (2+ / 0-)
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                          fcvaguy, ord avg guy

                          speaking a bit poorly to a user when I know they aren't who they say they are. Stand up for your banned friend all you want; he was banned for a reason. What was it? Do you know?

                          Your perception is of little consequence to me, sorry. I've only ever seen you basically attack people unless they are part of a small, definable coterie.

                          Do we have some sort of history I am unaware of?

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                          by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:15:32 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                      •  Here it is (1+ / 0-)
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                        poligirl

                        all of your diaries and comment supporting "community and site mission""

                        You type word salads chastising others. You need to appear to be above the fray yet you are always involved. I fully expect a long drawn out response that is circular and means nothing but knock yourself yourself out.

                        Transparency

                        I'm a Saltine American

                        by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:46:19 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

              •  For a review of Da Rulez to whom it may concern, (6+ / 0-)

                http://www.dailykos.com/...

                Do not troll rate someone you are actively having a fight with. If you are in a heated argument with someone, you should not be judging whether or not what they say is trollworthy. Leave it to others to decide what behavior is or isn't over the line.

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:16:39 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Thank you. (2+ / 0-)
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                  poligirl, TheMomCat

                  You just made my case for me.

                  I wasn't engaged with GGGE when he made that comment about me.

                  There's nothing in that blockquote that supports your comment above. Apparently you're saying that because I engaged him elsewhere, in entirely different subthreads, he gets a pass to call me a troll, lie, and drag unrelated shit into this diary.

                  I've been in a similar situation before, and elfling said I had not broken the rule for HRing a comment made by someone in a subthread in the same diary I'd already engaged him in elsewhere in that diary.

                  And I find it interesting you don't have the courage to actually reply to my comments directly, but you have no problem weighing in otherwise.




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:19:17 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                    •  Ha ha. (2+ / 0-)
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                      poligirl, TheMomCat

                      Sorry, twice-banned person, you've been saying that for months.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:05:26 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Hope springs eternal. (3+ / 0-)
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                        •  Good luck. (1+ / 0-)
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                          poligirl

                          Perhaps you should write another call-out diary and delete it, like you did the other day.

                          Your petty, petulant grudge-holding is a disgrace.

                          You never fail to show up for no other reason than to kick me when I'm down.

                          I have NEVER done anything to you to deserve the persistent vitriol you've directed towards me, which started late last year and continues to this day.

                          You uprate insults and lies about me, HR me for non-HRable comments, call for my banning, and otherwise take every opportunity you see to disparage me, all in dead threads, on a frequent basis.

                          Apparently you have nothing better to do.




                          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                          by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:13:14 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  "Kick you when you're down"? Ha. You're never (1+ / 0-)
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                            GoGoGoEverton

                            down.  You've always got people uprating your stuff, no matter how outrageous.

                            I have good reason to oppose your presence here.  It has little to do with me.  It has to do with your own comment history.

                  •  You were if you had spoken to him (5+ / 0-)
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                    poco, Timaeus, duhban, GoGoGoEverton, fcvaguy

                    in another thread recently, and that's the case. If you argue in one thread, move into another, and then HR someone, that's generally considered to be off-limits and "in conversation."

                    Do you recall speaking with GGGE recently? Like in the past few hours prior to HR him? Was it heated? If so, it is in violation of the rules to the best of my knowledge.

                    You can always ask at the helpdesk if you are unsure.

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                    by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:37:33 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  that thread was yesterday in another diary... (2+ / 0-)
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                      DeadHead, TheMomCat

                      and GGGE introduced it here in a thread that DH was NOT in.

                      that's dragging shit in from another diary on ANOTHER fucking DAY into a convo that DH wasn't even a part of. you damn well know better than that MO. damn well.

                      "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                      by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:26:22 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I only know what I am told here (1+ / 0-)
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                        doroma

                        I have been working. I suggest each poster state their case here, and I will mull it over. It must be complete and contain no insults. It should include any notations of past similar interactions with links.

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                        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:51:51 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  well perhaps silence is the better virtue rather (4+ / 0-)
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                          TheMomCat, psychodrew, temptxan, DeadHead

                          than coming in and quickly passing judgment on something even you admit you don't know about but are only being 'told' about wherever you are getting told things.

                          "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                          by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:09:17 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                •  ummmm he was not. you know better. parent (3+ / 0-)

                  up. gawd, your hatred for DH is on full display for admin here and has been reported to admin.

                  DH did not start this at all. GGGE did by calling him out in a thread he was not in.

                  please tell me you are not that stupid blinky. i thought you at least were smarter than that. and yes, i sent it all in.

                  "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                  by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:23:43 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  In my experiences with you AlexDrew - (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          jbsoul

          What you just said in your own defense is patently false.

          You rarely offer reality.  You offer your own version of it, which tends to be flash, trollish, and in many cases, dangerously close to right wing talking points, which should also earn you donuts.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:30:08 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Wow!!! A superior being is gracing us with his (0+ / 0-)

          presence. To what do we owe this appearance? Worry from your owners?

      •  Agreed Darth Stateworker (0+ / 0-)

        Alex I'm giving you an hr for admitting to trolling behavior on this site and in this diary.

    •  Be careful of the monkey shit that will get thrown (0+ / 0-)

      back at you.

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