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  •  He isn't George Bush (none)
    and Al Qaeda does want to establish a caliphate and provoke a war with America.  They are fundamentalists beyond a doubt, and Ken is against both Christian and Muslim ones.   I think we should get out of their too, but let's not blind ourselves to the fact that these people are fundies.  Also you realize Britain is getting out of Iraq now, so why the fuck did Al Qaeda strike them at this point?

    Stop the war! Draft Bush voters!

    by NoAlternative on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 06:54:59 PM PDT

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    •  Yes they would like a world-wide caliphate (none)
      Just as Saddam "craved" nucular weapons (one of Bush's series of excuses for Iraq). But I believe you know as well as I do that any grand desires for world domination are not why al qaeda did this, and not why they did 9/11. They did those things for the reasons that I gave above.

      As for why they hit London, I think it is plausible that the G8 meeting elsewhere in the UK was probably the cause of the timing. As far as Britain pulling out of Iraq, somehow I doubt that our (and Blair's) words carry much weight these days.

      What you dare to Dream, dare to Analyze

      by MarkInSanFran on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 07:08:08 PM PDT

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      •  So you sound like Bush in linking Al Qaeda and (none)
        Saddam.  They aren't linked in any way.

        I don't see any motivation for Al Qaeda's attacks beyond fundamentalist ones sorry!

        Stop the war! Draft Bush voters!

        by NoAlternative on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 07:15:14 PM PDT

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        •  Of course there is no link between (none)
          Sadaam and al qaeda! I was simply making an analogy. Sorry about the nuance.

          As for al qaeda's motivation for the attacks, if you see fundamentalism as the only one then you have fallen completely under the spell of Bush et al.

          "They hate our freedom" => Our foreign policy choices are irrelevant. Our only option is to attack them.

          "War against terrorism" => Well, if it's a war then we must militarily attack an arab country.

          Works nicely, doesn't it?

          What you dare to Dream, dare to Analyze

          by MarkInSanFran on Fri Jul 08, 2005 at 12:19:58 PM PDT

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