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  •  Mass murder? (2+ / 0-)
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    valion, bear83

    The survival rate of water landings is actually pretty high.

    Especially when the crew is in control of the plane, and can send out a warning to the rescue teams.

    o caminho d'ouro, uma pinga de mel: Parati

    by tarkangi on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 12:38:50 PM PDT

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    •  How many of those involve a heave plane stuffed... (2+ / 0-)
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      JerryNA, tarkangi

      with equipment, that just had a mid-air collision?

      Second-guessing the pilot from your computer, especially after the guy was given a commendation by the service, seems like a risky affair.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 01:47:12 PM PDT

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      •  Agreed about the internet tough guy part. nmr (1+ / 0-)
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        o caminho d'ouro, uma pinga de mel: Parati

        by tarkangi on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 01:56:25 PM PDT

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      •  P3s are pretty reliable (2+ / 0-)
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        bear83, tarkangi

        I saw one coming in for a landing at Moffett, once, with an inboard propeller dead. Not feathered - it wasn't rotating at all.

        (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

        by PJEvans on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 04:46:03 PM PDT

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        •  Pretty sure if it's feathered it won't rotate (1+ / 0-)
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          That's kind of the whole point of feathering the prop.

          If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

          by Major Kong on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 05:08:38 PM PDT

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        •  Poppa-Three-Charlies are MEANT to fly with ... (2+ / 0-)
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          AliceLeft, amyzex

          one or more engines shut down.  It is a fuel economy measure intended to increase their orbit time when doing anti-submarine warfare (and other intelligence collection) patrols.

          One engine shut down is standard flying for the Orion.  They just trim to counter the change in torque.  Two engines is for really extended flight, but not at all unheard-of.

          And they PRACTICE landings with one or more engines out, in case after a shut-down (or an engine failure) they cannot re-start that engine.  (Or if it is too broken to re-start.)

          Seeing one coming in with an engine down and the prop cut free and feathered to minimal drag setting is normal.

          The inboard engines are the ones of choice for reasons of change in the torque which they provide, it is easier to trim the inboard shut-down out of the flight geometry.

          ALSO, there is NO GENERATOR for electrical power on the inboard engines, so shutting them down does NOT lower the power available for on-board systems.  This includes the 'back end' non-flight systems.  Shutting off or losing one of the outboard engines, which have the electrical system generators connected to them, causes a lot of problems, and it can lead to losing the mission equipment in the back in favour of keeping the flying systems (navigation, radar, and the like) going.

          As for the landing on Chinese ground, that is a tough one.  I wasn't there, I'm not a flier.  (I spoke/heard Russian for a living, and not Chinese or Korean, either.)  It was his choice and he made it, and it was a tough landing well done.  That I don't think his choice of landing spots was appropriate, well, that's my opinion as an old and very much out-moded Intel geek from the Cold War days.

          But I do know that the RC-135W pilots from SAC who chauffeured those big birds filled with intercept equipment around the sky would rather have splashed the whole bird, themselves inside it, than put down in even Chi-Com coastal boundary waters.

          And the back-end non-flying crew, well, the decision would have gone, "Ditch it!" were the Intel crew allowed a vote.

          For one thing, the Pueblo gave us all in the Intel biznai plenty to think about.

          •  I found you through your comment on Vetwife'sdiary (0+ / 0-)

            earlier this month.  It qualified as a diary in itself.  I am following you now and hope you will write diaries.  Thanks for your service, which seems as though it was more challenging than mine.  I was in the Navy from 1994 to 1998 as an Aviation Ordnanceman (which means I was not aircrew).  Would love to see a diary from you about Crimea.

            The Stars and Bars and the red swastika banner are both offerings to the same barbaric god.

            by amyzex on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:18:53 AM PDT

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