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  •  1) The AWB bans rifles. (0+ / 0-)

    2) The discussion we were in at the time revolved around 'potency vs convenience' in regards to tools used for murder. A rifle is more potent than handguns, knives, clubs or bare hands yet all of those objects are used in more murders than rifles are (which is one of the things that makes the AWB & mag bans so infuriatingly foolish).

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 07:26:20 AM PDT

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    •  Semi-auto + high cap mag = weapon of mass (1+ / 0-)
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      destruction. Scalia agrees in Heller that dangerous and unusual weapons are and can be banned. Assault weapons fit that description. The terror and devastation they can inflict make them dangerous and unusual. That is why Federal courts have upheld AWBs in NY and Connecticut - public safety trumps common use in those rulings.

      Semi-autos + high cap mags have proven themselves to be on par with explosive devices that have been deemed weapons of mass destruction.

      "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

      by We Shall Overcome on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 07:49:00 AM PDT

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      •  Factually wrong. (0+ / 0-)

        A 'weapon of mass destruction' is a chemical, biological or radioactive weapon.
        Let's stick to the actual meanings of words, shall we?

        There is nothing 'unusual' about a semi-auto weapon, but no matter.
        It still has to be made law & judging by the spectacular failure of AWB2 on the national stage & the aftermath of a toothless mag ban in Colorado, such a ban isn't passing the electorate.

        "Federal courts have upheld...."
        They have upheld warrantless wiretaps & stop-and-frisk as well.
        I can only assume you support those issues as well in your frantic & wrong-headed search for 'public safety'.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:16:59 AM PDT

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        •  Semi-auto + high cap mags have killed more people (1+ / 0-)
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          than explosive devices in scores of mass shootings, for example, there were only two fatalities due to the two explosive devices used in the Boston bombing where as a semi-auto + high cap mag killed 26 in Newtown, 12 in Aurora, 32 at Virginia Tech, 8 in Tucson and so on.

          That's dangerous and unusual.

          "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

          by We Shall Overcome on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:12:18 AM PDT

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          •  Factually wrong: (0+ / 0-)

            Oklahoma City bombing: 168 deaths 680 injuries.
            Happy land fire: 87 deaths.
            Bath School Disaster: 45 deaths.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:19:35 AM PDT

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            •  Yes, Newtown 26; Virginia Tech: 32; Aurora: 12/56 (1+ / 0-)
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              ... they fit right in among the examples you cite and are very good examples of dangerous and unusual weapons.  

              "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

              by We Shall Overcome on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:29:28 AM PDT

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              •  And all have significantly less deaths than (0+ / 0-)

                a gallon of gasoline caused in the Happy Land Fire.
                Looks like you have an awful lot of banning to do.
                Conversely you can educate yourself & rid yourself of such ignorant fear.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:36:54 AM PDT

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                •  Tell that to Justice "Dangerous and Unusual" (0+ / 0-)

                  Scalia - he agrees that dangerous and unusual weapons can and should be banned:

                  We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms” —“prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”
                  http://www.nytimes.com/...

                  "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                  by We Shall Overcome on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:45:17 AM PDT

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                  •  And gasoline has proven to be more dangerous. (0+ / 0-)

                    Now all you have to do is convince the electorate.

                    Why not?
                    Trying to ban gas couldn't go much worse.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:53:26 AM PDT

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                    •  That's an absurd arguement, but good luck with it. (0+ / 0-)

                      "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                      by We Shall Overcome on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 10:18:21 AM PDT

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                      •  Oh? Strange as you are citing death tolls (0+ / 0-)

                        from mass murder as your justification and the Happy Land Fire had a higher death toll.

                        But you are right about one thing; banning a legal object from innocent people because of the actions of a murderer is an absurd argument.
                        Glad you are starting to catch on.

                        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                        by FrankRose on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 10:31:46 AM PDT

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                        •  Mumbo Jumbo - might as well type that in your (0+ / 0-)

                          comments over and over, that's about all you and the pro gunners have left to say:

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                          Like I said, you're argument is absurd - guns and gasoline are not one in the same, just ask Justice "Dangerous and Unusual" Scalia who supports gun bans, but not gasoline bans.

                          "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                          by We Shall Overcome on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 10:45:17 AM PDT

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