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  •  Companies with rules against employee smoking (5+ / 0-)

    can fire an employee for smoking tobacco on their own time. It's happened.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:05:12 AM PDT

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    •  And they've gone out of their way (5+ / 0-)

      to include e-cigarettes.

      Not to go off on a tangential tangent, but it sort of fits here.  That little disclaimer job apps and help-wanted ads include in their copy doesn't say "Drug- and Tobacco-Free Workplace" anymore, they've changed it to "Drug- and Nicotine-Free Workplace".

      I've already been hopping mad over drug testing for the privilege of working in America, and for many years now. And it really pissed me off when employers were allowed to add "cigarettes" to that list, because those are LEGAL PRODUCTS.

      I know the arguments about "insurance". Fine. E-cigarettes don't even have that problem, yet municipalities all over the country are jumping on the Ban the E-Cigarette bandwagon just because. Far as I'm concerned, that blows away every last one of their "insurance" justifications. That's complete bullshit, it's all about money and power for the Authority Class.
       

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:22:25 AM PDT

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      •  Lunachickie you have a special VIP world pass to (2+ / 0-)
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        talk about anything you like in any of my posts. It is not possible for you to make an off--possible comment.

        "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

        by HoundDog on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:41:37 PM PDT

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      •  i'll see your tangent and raise you another (0+ / 0-)

        seems like whenever something is prohibited the first thing people try to do is come up with ways to concentrate it and/or conceal it's use.

        it's prohibition that created or at least sped up the introduction of e-cigs and vaporizers in the first place.

        it's prohibition that brought us all the fake pot that IS killing people.

        and, in an offhand way it's also prohibition that gave us fine sinsemella and high tech indoor grows.

        for centuries people across the planet were pretty happy to smoke pollinated bud, and it probably would have stayed that way for awhile if tricky dick nixon hadn't started the war on drugs.

        The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -Bertrand Russell

        by elkhunter on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 04:32:57 PM PDT

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    •  What about alcohol? (2+ / 0-)
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      Any companies firing workers for having a beer after work?

      •  They can (3+ / 0-)
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        If they choose to do so.

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        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:32:06 PM PDT

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        •  Damn, I hate it when that happens. (0+ / 0-)

          "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

          by HoundDog on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:42:05 PM PDT

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        •  BS, if any employer actually fired someone (1+ / 0-)
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          for drinking a beer after work the beer industry would bury them.

          Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

          by RMForbes on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 04:59:08 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe (0+ / 0-)

            But the government wouldn't. That's freedom in action.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 09:03:55 PM PDT

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            •  But isn't the protection of our personal freedoms (1+ / 0-)
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              the primary function of our form of government? Why do you believe that a business owner should have more freedom than other people?

              Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

              by RMForbes on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 07:20:31 AM PDT

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              •  You have the same freedom (1+ / 0-)
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                A "business owner" isn't a thing. There are just people who are free to make or not make any business relationship they choose.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:14:02 AM PDT

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                •  No that is not true at all (1+ / 0-)
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                  The employer has more freedom than the employees when an employer can force employees into relinquish their freedoms for a wage. We created a new form of government about 240 years ago to prevent this type of exploitation of 'We The People' by an elite few. That's why we need strong legal protections for America's workers. It should not be left up to a non-existent "free market".  

                  Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                  by RMForbes on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:05:29 AM PDT

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                  •  Power varies with how much employee's skills (2+ / 0-)
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                    are in demand.

                    For a person with skills in high demand, the employer will need to frequently yield on these types of issues that don't have much actual impact on the business - otherwise the business will not have the talent it needs.

                    For people with no special skills in a city with high unemployment, there will always be employees available willing to work under special rules (but not extraordinary rules.).

                    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

                    by nextstep on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 10:39:46 AM PDT

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                    •  The problem is that the employers have all the (0+ / 0-)

                      power and can even create the high unemployment through their political influence in order to drive down labor costs. This is the real problem that needs to be addressed by governmental regulation. We can level the playing field and increase competition in the marketplace by raising the minimum wage and giving the government the power to create jobs of last resort when the private sector can or will not create those jobs.

                      I've been in retail management most of my adult life and in my experience there are no real unskilled employees. Some people need more supervision than others but everyone has some skill and deserve to be well compensated for their labor. Even the janitor that cleans the factory floor between shifts helps increase the efficiency of the business. This idea that we need to accept wage slavery because of high unemployment is plain ridiculous.  

                      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                      by RMForbes on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 12:18:02 PM PDT

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                  •  Would you object to an employer firing an employee (0+ / 0-)

                    who never acts racist on the job even when interacting with the public, but has racist bumper stickers on his car and parks on public streets near the front door of the business, and outside of business hours wears racist T-shirts, expresses white supremacist ideas in person and on the Internet, etc.?

                    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

                    by nextstep on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 12:25:02 PM PDT

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                    •  No, I would protect that person's job too (0+ / 0-)

                      Even the racist's political speech is protected by the First Amendment. On the job actions are completely different than exercising political speech and using medicinal cannabis during off hours. I would even have no problem with someone being fired for being under the influence of cannabis or promoting racism while on the job but cannabis use the night before going to work should not be grounds for dismissal.

                      Cannabis use is more likely to improve employee performance because it helps promote a healthy sleep cycle which leads to a more relaxed and better rested employee. Besides, a regular herbal cannabis user would not very likely be a racist embarrassment for the business either.  

                      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                      by RMForbes on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 12:52:20 PM PDT

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