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  •  To me, the context matters so much more than (1+ / 0-)
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    a single phrase.  I just think that objecting to this one phrase in the context of this entire diary is focusing on policing language while missing the point.

    Speak softly and carry a big can of tuna.

    by Cat Whisperer on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 06:46:29 PM PDT

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    •  She hasn't missed the point. (2+ / 0-)

      And I don't think she's talking about policing language here. The (very well taken and fundamentally understood) point of the diary is promoted -- ironically -- by a phrase that's profoundly demeaning to women. I think it's absolutely not MoT's intent to demean anyone, and that's understood, too.

      The literary reference means that women's ideas are unimportant at best (like -- "another country heard from" if you're familiar with that phrase) and ludicrously viscous and catty at worst. It's not an image that's positive or empowering to women.

      Anyway, it is about context -- or contradicting the context. It's about granting validity to ideas that reinforce the power gradient between men and women -- which is diametrically opposite the important point the diarist is making.

      I am a woman -- an am mostly not bothered by politically incorrect language -- but this reference bothered me, too. It doesn't make me feel like I'm looking forward to equal pay or equal opportunity any time soon. For me, it isn't a matter of being the word police. It feels like I've been backhanded.

      "Broccoli could take down a government. Broccoli is revolutionary." --Kris Carr

      by rb137 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 07:31:23 PM PDT

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      •  Well, I appreciate the thoughtful reply but I just (1+ / 0-)
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        do not agree.  If you are "mostly not bothered by politically incorrect language," then it is hard for me to understand how this one statement in a great diary defending my rights as a woman should even be soomething we should point to and call the writer to task for writing it.  It just seems nit-picking and missing the point.

        Speak softly and carry a big can of tuna.

        by Cat Whisperer on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 02:54:26 PM PDT

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        •  Read the poem where the quote originated. (0+ / 0-)

          And it's okay if you don't agree. If we all agreed, then we'd all go off a cliff. And much peace to you.  :)

          "Broccoli could take down a government. Broccoli is revolutionary." --Kris Carr

          by rb137 on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 08:07:41 PM PDT

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        •  *play (0+ / 0-)

          I can't find a free copy of the thing for you (and I'm not so interested to keep looking very hard -- and probably you're not, either!) Anyway, my recollection is that the tone of the quote comes with obvious 17th century baggage.

          But you are right that it mostly matters what the quote means now. To me, a scorned woman is one who is being patronized and ridiculed (and hypersensitive). Gotta watch out for those silly women who overreact to things. The only context I've ever encountered the quote was a dismissive one. Maybe the quote means something else to you.

          But no matter. We agree on what the diary intends to convey, for sure.

          Cheers.

          "Broccoli could take down a government. Broccoli is revolutionary." --Kris Carr

          by rb137 on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 08:52:23 PM PDT

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