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  •  Ray McGovern on the video (9+ / 0-)

    been living in DC for 50 years

    over 30 years in the Intelligence community

    starting at about 15 min made the statement

    that Tom Drake was tasked with the job of finding out if 9/11 could have been prevented. He found out the answer was YES. They had the info from San Diego including recording of phone calls and they did not tell FBI and raise the flag.

    Ray went to say that Obama said that bulk data collection could have prevented 9/11. Ray says that statement is untrue.

    Back to the top - 50 years in DC, 30 years in intelligence community AND he suspects that Obama didn't tell the truth because he is scared of the intelligence community.

    Ray said that he never thought he would say this, and he doesn't have direct evidence of this, but from his life experience, this is what he suspects.

    then this is this article yesterday

    Spy Agencies, Not Politicians, Hold the Cards in Washington

    Now I am into 22 minutes and Coleen Rowley is speaking and says more about NSA and the Espionage Act in 1917 has provisions that are unconstitutional and never acted on until....

    •  That answers my question (3+ / 0-)
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      about why Obama refuses to enact real reform, especially when his term in office will be over in a couple of years.

      He's afraid of them.  Oy, that's a mess. Who will have the courage to stand up to the intel community?   It would have to be a group effort.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:18:52 AM PDT

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      •  Ray at the end - I am scared (1+ / 0-)
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        at the end of the session

        he recalled Edward Snowden's claim that if he knew Obama's phone number he could listen to his calls from his desk - and that has been repeated - and Ray thinks Snowden is the real deal

        in other words, the agencies can spy on everyone, including Obama

        and Obama hasn't spoken out like leaders of other countries that have been spied on

        so Ray says, maybe you can tell from the way I am acting that I am scared about what is going on

        Earlier in the presentation, Norman Solomon said to be on the lookout if the corporate media report the delivery of 100,000 signatures and a petition today.

        •  So who is running US government? (1+ / 0-)
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          Don midwest

          It's not just the intelligence services.  There has to be a partnership between them and globally connected organizations. Banking/finance?  Energy? Both?   Does this explain insane policies like TPP, etc.?

          I still maintain we need a different way to unwind this mess - Independent Counsel to investigate spying and prosecute criminal element in our intel branches, along with overturning Citizens United.  

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 10:31:35 AM PDT

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