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  •  Connecticut is one of the happy exceptions... (3+ / 0-)

    ...and so is California, although I am not in agreement with all the restrictions here while still believing that several should be even stronger.

    But Connecticut was already way ahead of other states before Newtown. California has been a leader, too. Colorado's Democratic legislators are the ones who deserve credit for courage in the face of the gun lobbyists. Three of their number paid for that action even though the laws could not be repealed. In November, if the results can be comprehended granularly enough, we'll see whether those laws have pissed off enough Coloradans to put the Republicans back in the legislative majority.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 05:35:35 PM PDT

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    •  Sir, Please be forgiving of my ignorance, which is (3+ / 0-)

      huge, as well as this comment/question perhaps being off-topic.

      That being said, can you tell me or point me to where I can find the logic behind it ever being OK to bring personal guns into a public (non gun-related, i.e. target shooting, etc.) venue? Please know I am not trying to argue, just desperate at the moment for somehow coming to an understanding, if possible.

      And if I sound in any way rude, please forgive and hear my sincere intent.

      Dance lightly upon the Earth, Sing her songs with wild abandon, Smile upon all forms of Life ...and be well.

      by LinSea on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 05:46:27 PM PDT

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      •  Views on the subject range from it's never... (5+ / 0-)

        ...okay all the way to no place except maybe detention centers should be allowed to bar firearms.

        Here's a self-defense argument you'll hear from some people who think most public venues should not be allowed to bar firearms: the Aurora shooting. The guy from whom I had taken weekend gun lessons, mostly to learn California firearms law and hone my rusting skills, said afterward the slayings that if people in that theater had been armed, the shooter would have been dead or incapacitated long before 12 other people there were.

        I'm of the opinion that if 5 armed people in that theater had decided to start shooting, many more patrons would have been killed or maimed. The guy I took lessons from might have been able to pick the guy off in the dark, chaotic theater, but most people don't have such skills. And, at the time, Colorado law was such that one could qualify for a concealed-carry permit with "training" on the internet. They would never have to actually fire the gun they were going to conceal to get that permit, but they would never have had to have fired ANY gun to do so. People like that are as likely to shoot themselves or the movie-goer two feet in front of them as they are to shoot a moving, firing target 20 or 50 feet away.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 06:12:23 PM PDT

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        •  Thank you, sir, so very much for taking the time (3+ / 0-)

          to respond. I am in weepy mode this afternoon and thinking of the world my grandbabies (nearly 5&9) will inherit, which way too often seems unthinkable to me. I would hope that persons of your intellect, logical reasoning abilities and clarity will prevail -- IOW, luvs 'ya, MB. :^)

          Dance lightly upon the Earth, Sing her songs with wild abandon, Smile upon all forms of Life ...and be well.

          by LinSea on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 06:43:02 PM PDT

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        •  What causes me alarm, much as do the (2+ / 0-)

          climate change deniers, is that the same folks who so devoutly believe

          that if people in that theater had been armed, the shooter would have been dead or incapacitated long before 12 other people there were
          seem, to me, to be all too often in the majority of those who show up to vote. I know, I know -- we gotta' keep on keepin' on. Jes really tired tonight. Thank you, sir, for all you do and are. :^)

          Dance lightly upon the Earth, Sing her songs with wild abandon, Smile upon all forms of Life ...and be well.

          by LinSea on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:51:38 PM PDT

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        •  I think the mistake you make is assuming that (0+ / 0-)

          in order to surpress another one has to hit the target.  That's not true.  Return fire towards the point of shooting would have made the shooter have to re-evaluate what they are doing and move them from being risk-free in walking around firing to having to judge their every move for exposure.

          The same way that any action is easier and accomplished more quickly when their is less stress being applied and less risk of injury in doing it.  This would slow down the rate at which the aggressor was able to operate before more trained force arrived.

          One should neither discount nor dismiss the added risk and stress factors of facing return fire.

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