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  •  I am sorry to say, but (17+ / 0-)

    no it will not.  It is a feel good measure and will not work.  I see cops doing it, all the time in Missouri.  it will take an effort by cell carriers and insurance companies to stop this.  mandatory sentences, instant phone record searches by LEO's, and leading by example.  Parents, disable texting for everyone on your plan while moving.  give LEO equipment to scan for cellphones at wrecks to check phone records from the responses of the phones.  Make consequences for actions...

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    by geekydee on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 05:26:39 AM PDT

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    •  Obviously, I was being facetious. And our privacy (6+ / 0-)

      is under attack enough as it is, I think. I'd much prefer we educate people, telling them that it can wait and they aren't the most important beings in the universe after all (just try THAT here in Greater DC, where the average pol/lawyer's dog is more important than we peons are.)

      •  You don't have to be nanny state. (7+ / 0-)

        Just have it as an aggravating factor in a vehicular homicide.  A larger actual sentence by 6 months to a year and longer probation afterwards people just need to realize that if they lose, they lose big.

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        by AZphilosopher on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 03:03:27 PM PDT

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        •  A cell phone is a privilege, not a right (8+ / 0-)

          And as a privilege you could lose it as part of a sentence.

          simply provide that where use of a cell phone was a contributing factor in an accident that the guilty party is prohibited  from possessing a cell phone for one year as a condition of probation.

          This would be in line with losing one's drivers license where alcohol is involved in an accident.

        •  Yeah.. (2+ / 0-)
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          Not going to change a damn thing to make it an "aggravating factor". There has been experiments, and studies, going as far back as 500 bloody years ago, or more, that show, quite clearly, that more punishment, more serious forms of it, or even trying to make it a public spectacle, does jack all of anything to stop people committing crimes.

          There are only really two solutions - make sure they can't do it, or, make sure that they actually receive an effective punishment. Doing the former is a bloody huge assed problem. Half the "cabs" in the city I work in use bloody cell phones all the time. They are not part of a full on "cab service", which would fail here, and even if they where, the cell phone would just be replaced by a damn radio. Mandating head sets, and a real dispatch system "might" work for them. But.. the only thing I can bloody think of you doing with a regular car would be to somehow replace every window in the thing, somehow, with metal, then require the entire fraking thing be built as Faraday cage, so your cell phone, or other non-approved device, just f-ing won't work, at all, in the vehicle. Though.. what that then means with regard to emergencies, unless you also mandate one of those systems in all vehicles too....

          You can't fix people. You have to fix the world itself, so that people have a harder time screwing it up. This is a rule that, sadly, even supposed "security experts" keep failing to comprehend, to their later dismay, and everyone else's disaster.

          As for punishments.. Ironically, the only thing that does work, for those who have broken laws (and you can't really do much before hand about it, short of, again, making it damned hard to break in the first place), is even relatively mild punishments, in which the consequence isn't something you can skip out of, using some stupid thing like "good behavior", and there is no way for the criminal to blame what is happening on anyone else, except themselves.

          But, most punishments we have now.. punish excessively, often for not violent crimes, run through a court system where you can skip out if lucky (or rich enough sometimes), or get your ass handed to you, unfairly,even if you are not guilty, etc. Then, you can spend years, possibly decades, in a hell hole, where every conceivable injustice is met out to you by guards, fellow inmates, vindictive judges, etc., all so that, when the person gets out, they have no job, no skills, and no hope. In short, there is no way most of people in jail would *ever* agree that all the stuff they went through had jack all to do with the actual crime committed.

          And.. we wonder why the people willing to do these things a) don't care, b) don't believe they will get caught, or c) don't think justice will happen, even if someone is caught. Because, a) no human has ever thought about the consequence of something that might happen, if it only ever happens to other people, someplace else, and rarely, b) the vast majority do it all the time, and never do get caught, and c) there are very few cases where anyone gets what is just for such things, and, if they are getting fair and just punishment, there are a thousand idiots out there claiming that it needs to be harsher, longer, less controllable, and thus, totally useless (but, properly vindictive, which somehow always matters more than being effective, or functioning to prevent anything).

          •  Agreed, phone blocking system, keyed by ignition (1+ / 0-)
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            switch in the car. You can make your call with the engine turned off. It should be not only installed in all new cars, but, retrofitted into older ones ASAP.

            And if I could offer a bit of "defensive driving" hammered at us at my company of 30+ years of 20/20 hindsight after any accident, should you EVER find yourself in front of someone distracted while YOU are stopped in traffic, the keys are;
            1. Always save room to have an escape, (from carjacking, rear enders, or even a stall in front of you)
            2. IF, you see oncoming vehicles that look like they man not stop in time, HONK your horn to get their attention to DRIVING. It will also alert others to the impending collision, and possibly lurch out of the path of the oblivious driver.

            Lastly, my company would have found ME at fault for being hit from behind, assuming I neglected to take measures to avoid the collision.
            I feel for the victims and their surviving family members, this is an ugly event, that maybe should have the photos posted at EVERY cell phone sales kiosk and store, with the reminder that no doubt the text or call this idiot was tending, rather than driving, was certainly not as important as the lives he took with his negligence and self importance.

    •  We don't need more people in jail. Mandatory (3+ / 0-)
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      sentences of 1000+ hours of community service would be good though.

    •  Those are (0+ / 0-)

      VERY good ideas!!

    •  Signal blockers built into cars that activate (22+ / 0-)

      When the car is moving. It can be done, easily, and it should be universal.

      If you NEED to be on the phone, you NEED to be off the road.

      •  Excellent way to go. (9+ / 0-)

        If we can see to it that every car has air bags, then we should be able to do this as well.

      •  I wonder if it would be possible (0+ / 0-)

        to implement something that wouldn't allow your phone to operate while moving faster than a walking or running speed. Obviously people rooting their phones would be able to disable it, but people would also be able to disable a signal blocker.

        •  The phone would need an accelerometer (0+ / 0-)

          ... at which point, it would be trivial. A number of smartphones have them, already.

          •  But it should be legal (0+ / 0-)

            for passengers in busses, trains and cars to use their 'phones.   (Though they do annoy me whenever I take the train.)

            The opposite of pro is con. So what's the opposite of progress?

            by DSPS owl on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 01:11:59 AM PDT

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          •  Connected to the ignition switch. (0+ / 0-)

            If the car is ON, the phone is OFF. Simple enough, and prevents even parking lot speed distractions.

            •  You wouldn't even need (0+ / 0-)

              to put a device in your car to disable it if a Cell was activated. Need to think one thru folks. I have known of at least three people that have been saved by their cell phones GPS signal.
              Texting or making a call is a different thing. The technology to disable the phones texting or phone services need to be explored and implemented. Retrofitting every car on the road ain't gonna happen as it's simply not financially feasible. I do like the idea that if you are caught driving and texting whether or not your in an accident or not you lose the privilege of having a cell phone for a period of time and just as I'm firmly against plea bargaining DWI, DUI or DUS down I would like to see this as well as those other misdemeanors treated with mandatory sentencing which I'm firmly against in most cases but in some it does have it's place.
              You really don't need to disable the vehicle or the phone, just make it so the horn begins blaring the second you attempt to text or make a call while the vehicle is in motion. It would embarrass the hell out of the driver and call attention to the perpetrator at the same time.    

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              by Kirk Welch on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 03:42:55 PM PDT

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      •  No thank you. (0+ / 0-)

        I don't need that control, anymore than I need to be tracked by the police or anyone else.

        The digital devices stay in the purse, behind the drivers seat, thank you. If Ian call needs to be made or answered I get off the road. Period. I am not a moron, and I don't need to be controlled by my vehicle.

    •  The point of this isn't to prevent anything really (1+ / 0-)
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      But rather to have legal punishments in place if anybody does it.

      People with conscience enough to avoid texting while driving are already doing it.  We need legal remedies for those who don't have a conscience.  Making it hurt twice as hard when you hit someone because you were texting, as opposed to an honest accident, is a good start.

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