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    •  I absolutely agree... (10+ / 0-)

      As the sole person in my family still having a job in this economy, I've been very concerned what more they're going to come at us women with in order to reestablish the complete and total patriarchical order.  

      While the rank-and-file christianists do have all kinds of issues about sex, there are older orders of pentecostals (I know, as I was raised as one - and I've now been Pagan for over 30 years!), as well as the newer forms of Dominionism that truly want to establish a Christian-only theocracy -- and they've had plans mapped out for decades; diligently working in the background in city and state elections until they could make their final pushes.  

      To these people, it isn't "sex" that is the issue -- it is total control over women's lives, as well women's total subservience to their male power structure.  For this reason, I count all "professional" female Repubs/Conservs/Libertarians as totally ignorant both of women's history and incredibly naive that they'll be the "exception" in this power structure.

      This means the 1950's and some of the 1960's era where only "low" women worked and only at the most menial of jobs.  Good jobs and careers were reserved for men -- as the "breadwinners" of the family (even if he had none).  

      Additionally, a win for HL in this case will not only start us on that slide, I'm afraid -- but also set back decades of gains made by ALL other minorities. Racial, cultural, gender-based, and religious discrimination and persecution will once again become the norm.  It won't all happen overnight - some changes may even happen slowly and insidiuously (as in having our pro-choice rights stripped from us, for all intents and purposes - unless you're rich).  

      As an older DFH female and Crone running a Pagan website, I can positively tell you the tenor of the hate mail I receive from the christianists has changed over the nearly two decades my site's been online.  Since GW was awarded the presidency, the language has gotten courser, rougher, and more threatening.   These people have to somehow be brought to heel before they run roughshod over us and completely remake this country in THEIR image.  The "melting pot" we've always described our country to be will be a far-distance memory, IMO.  Of course, YMMV.

      •  Reminds me of the Handmaid's Tale, the wife (3+ / 0-)
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        of the Commander. Used to be a famous Christian singer, but when America turned into Gilead and she was prohibited from working outside the home, well. That didn't turn out so great did it?

        "We need institutions and cultural norms that make us better than we tend to be. It seems to me that the greatest challenge we now face is to build them." -Sam Harris, neuroscientist

        by MarthaPeregrine on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 04:03:33 PM PDT

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        •  Yep, we have quite a few authors (4+ / 0-)
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          and other artists who seem to have been fairly prescient.

          One of the most gut-wrenching, unnerving movies I've seen is called "Rain without Thunder."  I saw it back in the late 80's or early 90's.  Subject matter dealt with the consequences of abortion outlawed by the religious right triumphant.  To see it happening piece by piece in the days since is scary.  I've been tempted to watch it again on Netflix, but figure it'll have me fighting either depression or my rising blood pressure. ;0

          Besides, I thought I'd already fought and won these battles decades ago!  The fighting for our rights I did lasted long enough for MY daughter to go into perimenopause.  I have no idea... and am totally disheartened.. at what my 1-month-old grandniece is going to find when she comes of age, tho.

          •  Like you, I thought we'd already fought and won (1+ / 0-)
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            these battles decades ago!  

            My gosh, I'm now a GREAT-grandmother...and am totally heartbroken that we're having to fight these battles all over again.  

            What on earth is wrong with these people???  No one is trying to steal their faith from them.  But why do they think they get to force their particular version of faith on us???  That's most certainly NOT what Jesus said they get to do.  

      •  I have to agree with SlightKC (0+ / 0-)

        though the implications of this extend much further than women's issues as is alluded to.

        As a leftist libertarian, I support a minimal but strong central government that doesn't interfere with All of the populaces' rights. Social rights especially.

        As an atheist this whole religious right crap totally disgusts  me.

        As a realist, I am becoming totally disgusted with our elected officials in general.

        As a recovering alcoholic, I'd like to "Twelve Step" all of the assholes responsible for the mess we're in, that is if there was an "Assholes Anonymous" and they could ever get by an associated first step.

        "Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen!" oder "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

        by drpmeade on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 10:26:05 AM PDT

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