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  •  GTRO, I'm confused... (5+ / 0-)

    You say:

    In the fall of 1992 I was in the process of drinking myself to death.  I went to detox, treatment, and long term treatment.  I have been sober in a 12-step program for 21 years and still attend a group.  I have had a sponsor, done the steps, done the service; so I must be a dry drunk!!!!!!
    Everything you're describing is the OPPOSITE of a dry drunk, at least the way I'm used to hearing it discussed.  Just wondered what I'm missing.

    Also, I love this juxtaposition:

    Dr. Lance Dodes has an impressive background, he retired as assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School...
    and this:
    Dr. Dodes opinion is that addicts respond better to psychotherapy that gets down to the deeper issues that trigger each individual person's addiction.
    Gee, what a surprise! :-) Not to minimize the importance of mental health care. Many successful AAers seek outside help for mental health issues.

    In my 3 years of AA and 1000+ meetings, I have never, ever,  heard anything but support for folks that are using talk therapy or medication for their mental heath. Just the opposite.

    Thanks for the diary, it's interesting.

    •  Just reading this book (2+ / 0-)
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      bsmechanic, Lonely Texan

      I was just implying that since I have been "in the program" for a while that reading this book would say to some people in the fellowship in my area that I was getting ready to buy out the liquor store, or at least having a lot of "stinkin' thinkin'".  But since facing my demons other than alcohol, I've kind of become an alternative information junkie.  I just don't do lockstep very well.

      I actually have heard many people in the fellowship in my area speak outright against mental health medications, or imply that taking them was a cop-out on working a "good" program.  I attended a meeting when I was a couple of years sober that was in a hospital and the psych ward of that hospital stopped allowing their patients to attend because of an old-timer expressing this opinion.  She used to say if someone was on anti-depressants they couldn't hurt bad enough to work the steps properly. And yes, this is the exact opposite of AA's official opinion as stated in its literature.

      Manufacturing outrage; the only manufacturing jobs Republicans won't outsource.

      by get the red out on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 06:16:17 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks, I understand. (1+ / 0-)
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        get the red out

        Yes, there are intolerant assholes both in and out of AA . The situation you describe (intolerance of prescribed anti-depressants, mood levelers, or anti-psychotics) is pretty much evil. I've heard it described before, and here again by you. Sigh.

        If that happened in a meeting I was in, I hope I would have it together enough to talk to the newcomer after the meeting, and then remind the asshole that we're there to make newcomers feel welcome, not chase them away... Thanks.

      •  Heh. Totally by coincidence, I just read this... (2+ / 0-)
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        wavpeac, get the red out

        I've been reading "As Bill Sees It" when I'm on break sometimes lately.

        Our Companions

        Today, the vast majority of us welcome any new light that can be thrown on the alcoholic's mysterious and baffling malady.  We welcome new and valuable knowledge whether it issues from a test tube, from a psychiatrist's couch, or from revealing social studies. We are glad of any kind of education that accurately informs the public and changes its age-old attitude toward the drunk.

        More and more we regard all who labor in the total field of alcoholism as our companions on a march from darkness into light. We see that we can accomplish together what we could never accomplish in separation and in rivalry.

        GRAPEFINE, MARCH 1958

        Now, "some people" (including some long-time AAers) think that Bill W. was a dangerous person who never worked a serious program; I've heard a couple people talk along those lines in my short time.

        On reflection (and since this is Daily Kos) perhaps it's simply that some people crave absolute certainty and rigidity in their lives, no grey areas allowed. Even right-wing Republicans need to get sober, so it's a good thing we don't discuss politics in AA meetings!

        •  I think it's more identity than "politics" (2+ / 0-)
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          JayBat, Chitown Kev

          There's a whole lot of fear of new ideas hidden behind anger and scoffing, IMO.  I think people, all people no matter whether they suffer from addiction or anything else, have difficulty dealing with the idea of their identity being tested.  If something else becomes as mainstream as 12-step; that might be perceived as an identity threat to some people in anonymous fellowships.  Just my opinion.

          Manufacturing outrage; the only manufacturing jobs Republicans won't outsource.

          by get the red out on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 10:46:18 AM PDT

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