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  •  I thought we already did that (4+ / 0-)

    It was about the time of the Moral Majority. I will acknowledge that "inclusive, democratic politics" had nothing to do with their goals.

    Still, I can't escape the connection between politics and morality. Any legislation that increases inequality is immoral, imho. The poor may always be with us, but we shouldn't be in favor of increasing their numbers.

    Anyhow, I have run across this verse abused by conservative Christians, who were objecting to liberal Christians’ attempts to actually fight poverty, particularly using political means.  The argument seems to go something to the effect that if Jesus said we’d never get rid of the poor, it’s foolish for the liberals to try.  Of course that’s specious; Jesus finished that very sentence by saying “and whenever you want, you can do good for them.”

    I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

    by Just Bob on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 02:51:28 PM PDT

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    •  Like I said Bob, our personal morality may inform (2+ / 0-)
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      Just Bob, unfangus

      our political choices but neither my personal morality nor yours can provide a basis for democratic politics and governance. Your citation of the Moral Majority actually supports this point.

      Democracy requires a respect and deference for differing beliefs that extends to the realm of the moral, spiritual and religious. That doesn't mean we are obliged to accept such beliefs ourselves or that we remain silent about where our own morality differs. It does mean that reducing political debates to questions of absolute right and wrong is, more often than not, a losing strategy in a heterodox, democratic polity.

      The abject failure of the Religious Right to do more than impede the progressive march of social policy is a good illustration.  


      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 03:16:32 PM PDT

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    •  Bible verse Jesus comments on the poor (2+ / 0-)
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      Just Bob, Hillbilly Dem

      I believe this is in reference to the response Jesus made to the disciples when a woman came to bathe his feet and rub them with an expensive fragarent ointment, drying them with her hair. To paraphrase the meaning was don't criticize her for an extravagant gesture (tending to his physical needs with a luxury when the money spent for the ointment could have been given to the poor).

      The meaning is so not what conservatives would like to think. The poor are indeed always with us but sometimes a little luxury as a kind gesture is a wonderful thing. The poor are always going to be with us, this gesture doesn't change our work.

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