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  •  Fair argument. (2+ / 0-)
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    JVolvo, basquebob

    I was thinking that the gains from single-payer health care would cancel out the downside of chained CPI. You make a reasonable argument that that's not the case - and so, if what you're saying is correct (no reason to doubt you), I wouldn't support such a deal.

    •  yes DiesIrae (1+ / 0-)
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      the worst kind of politics is the kind of politics some in Democratic leadership engage in. They might believe that engaging in some of these bargains may attract some voters from the other side while in reality what they're doing is discouraging their base and throwing it under the bus in the process. The logic shouldn't be trading rights for economic security. By now we should all be well versed in the kind of red herring that such arguments, Hoyer's in this case, are.

      The argument is simple, Social Security we have paid for, single payer would be cheaper and better than what we are already paying for, and to keep SS and get single payer I don't have to trade anything. I just need to fight for them. Like I said, one we already pay for directly and the other we know we would collectively spend lessless, significantly less, than what we already do as individuals in either monthly premiums or medical bills or both.

      All Hoyer  has to do is make good arguments for progressive values and defend those principles. He doesn't want to do it? He wants to carry water for the oligarchs and his financiers while pitting Democrats against each other with false dichotomies? Fine, let us find better leaders that will do what it is in our collective interest. We need to trade him not our values.

      "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

      by basquebob on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 12:04:26 AM PDT

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      •  *Nice* last sentence. (1+ / 0-)
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        I wish he weren't the most entrenched incumbent I've ever seen.

        Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in.

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 10:28:51 AM PDT

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