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  •  This Hobby business is a farce.... (19+ / 0-)

    and, unrealized by the average low-info Joe, opens the door for Muslim company owners to impose THEIR beliefs on their employees.   If Americas were intelligent enough to understand the implications of this fiasco, they would run away in horror.  

    The true horror is the lack of intelligence of some Supreme Court judges, who are so ideologically motivated they ignore the facts before them.

    It is not just freedom of religion for individuals, but freedom FROM religion.

    •  Thats always the thing (10+ / 0-)

      Imagine if some group of Muslims formed a corporation and forced Sharia law on the employees even when it broke with US Law. Surely THAT wouldn't fly.

    •  Tried this 'logic' on my family (20+ / 0-)

      Or as they put it 'they're paying you. You don't like it, work somewhere else.' Also they went with no healthcare unless you pay for it yourself, no employer should be forced to pay for your unhealthy life choices. Like cancer or aids, one is because you smoke the other is because you're a pervert (their opinion, NOT mine). They also figure any STD is your fault for being easy, you pay 100%, same with pregnancy (no one told you to get yourself knocked up). We are talking about one unwed, divorced 30 year old woman who is pregnant and unemployed, one army major, one army master Sargent and a 23 year old with a 6 year old on her second husband. Add in two over 55 Catholics who have been married (between them) to 8 other people, none of whom are dead. Don't even get me started on my mother (there is a white people god and a black people god, the white people god is the real one). I tell people I was born to gypsies but was stolen as a baby by an insane redneck couple....

      Only in our dreams are we free. The rest of the time we need wages.-Terry Pratchett

      by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 06:41:16 AM PDT

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    •  you don't see the bigger picture (7+ / 0-)

      In TN, having lost their battle to block a mosque, Christian opponents are now opposing a Muslim cemetery to be located on the same property.  The deal is to make sure that there are no Muslims or Buddhists or any other icky religions in the US so we don't have to worry about furrin heathens trying to impose their pagan heresies on good Christian folk

      •  Christians want a theocracy..... (6+ / 0-)

        though if you ask them, they deny it.  But their actions speak loudly.  And I don't want to hear from "liberal Christians" who distance themselves from these aberrant acts.  You are enabling your more conservative brethren by not acting against their Right Wing interests.

        And where is your magical all--powerful sky daddy?  If he really existed, why don't you liberal Christians pray for him to eliminate the Christian Right.  According to the bible, he is good at eliminating people.

        •  I'm an agnostic Buddhist.... (3+ / 0-)
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          who thinks that conventional Christian dogma is a childish fairy tale.

          But your comment seems pretty bigoted to me, in the way you generalize and speak for a population that you obviously hold in contempt. I know many "liberal Christians", some of whom are much nicer and more understanding people than what you present of yourself here.

          The juxtaposition with your personal ID seems particularly ironic.

          Battling psychiatric myths with sensible skepticism at

          by candid psychiatrist on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 07:25:37 AM PDT

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          •  You are your brother's keeper (2+ / 0-)
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            This is a major tenet of Christian doctrine. In this case, the Christians themselves are supposed to believe they are responsible for one another. The liberal Christians have a clear duty to actively oppose the dominionists. Some of them do. But many prefer to ignore what is happening. Because this is truly a belief originating in Christianity, I don't think it's bigoted to hold them responsible for their crazy far-right brethren.

            Is fheàrr fheuchainn na bhith san dùil

            by bull8807 on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 07:37:51 AM PDT

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            •  Easier said than done. (2+ / 0-)
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              Visible opposition will be ignored or overlooked by the MSM.

              There may be more opposition than you think, given how much membership is declining in Christian churches and the younger demographic is dialing themselves out altogether.

              The most violent element in society is ignorance.

              by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 09:09:06 AM PDT

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          •  I'm atheist, not convinced of any kind of magic (2+ / 0-)
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            I have a sister who was Christian until a few years ago, she broke with what the fan club turned into and now identifies as a follower of Jesus. She counter protests The Westboro bunch, does actual charitable work and loves her sisters and brothers, there are somewhat over seven billion of those. We get along.

            Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. Sam Clemens

            by Wood Gas on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 02:48:35 PM PDT

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        •  but it is not even a "Christian" theocracy (6+ / 0-)

          It is a very narrow, modernistic view of the Bible and its relationship to the modern world.  For example, in the centuries prior to the 18th Century, the Bible was seen as infallible; in today's religion (Which was a reaction to the Enlightenment) the Bible is now seen as in inerrant.  Even more pronounced is the movement of faith in some circles towards externalization, where you monitor your neighbor's behavior and not your own whereby previously, introspection and getting one's spiritual house in order was considered paramount.

          Dating back to the Schofield Bible, we can see the genesis of the notion of "Once Saved, Always Saved" where a congregant, once he makes a public profession of faith, is considered saved for all eternity, no matter whatever he does in the future.
          The corollary to this is "Faith and not works".  Biblically, works are the manifestation of  faith but in the real world can be inconvenient.  Therefore everyone flocks to the faith alone banner because it requires no certain behavior by the congregant but only an open profession of faith.
          I would note that the natural conclusion to this is the very strange permutations of Scripture into what is termed Prosperity Gospel which states the faithful do not have to perform any tasks (other than tithing) and only have to profess faith and to display faith by trying to impose your beliefs upon others.  In exchange for this political activism and tithing, God will directly reward you with wealth and riches on earth.    

        •  Praying to get right of the Christian right. (0+ / 0-)

          I've been praying for a conservative mind-set virus that wipes them all out for a long time now, and it doesn't seem to be working.  :-)

    •  It's not intelligence they lack, it's ethics. (0+ / 0-)

      48forEastAfrica - Donate to Oxfam> "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." Edna St.V. Millay

      by slouching on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 09:04:39 AM PDT

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      •  I've worn a good many hats during the time it took (0+ / 0-)

        to arrive at an age I never expected to attain. I have yet to participate in a group that had a surfeity of either ethics or intelligence.

        Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. Sam Clemens

        by Wood Gas on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 03:01:16 PM PDT

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      •  My guess is that part of what they lack... (0+ / 0-)

        is intelligence, and that whatever intelligence is present, is outweighed by fear.  I believe it is a person's fear that keeps them from being ethical.  

        The two elements that create the most violence in society are ignorance and fear, and most of the time, the irony is that it is fear that most often keeps people ignorant.  People who are both ignorant and afraid can easily become zealots who would rather die than change their minds.  

        Because they are afraid on the inside, because their fear is internalized, and not recognized, what they are trying to do is be aligned with those people around them who "appear" to be strong.

        The problem is that the strength of these people is nothing but a facade that is erected to cover their insecurity.  There is no flexibility in how they respond to life.  The walls rarely come down, if ever.  We think it's strength when we beat our heads and hearts against the walls, but it is not strength.

        Real strength is shown when a person has learned to deal with their vulnerability, and can allow the walls to come down.  

        A good example would be a bully.  They appear to be strong.  But if you scratch the surface of a bully, you will find a coward.  He puts on the facade of being powerful so no one will get close enough to find out how scared he (or she) is on the inside.

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