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  •  When do you get yours, or did you get it already (5+ / 0-)

    Markos? IIRC, you were in the market for one.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 11:11:49 AM PDT

    •  Your Tesla, that is. n/t (5+ / 0-)

      Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

      by commonmass on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 11:12:14 AM PDT

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      •  I was in the Tesla store in White Plains, NY (10+ / 0-)

        on Saturday. They said the economy car is on the way and I wasn't the first to ask about a pickup.

        Reaganomics noun pl: blind faith that unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources. Synonyms: trickle-down; voodoo economics. Antonyms: common sense. Related Words: Laffer curve.

        by FrY10cK on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 02:40:00 PM PDT

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        •  An electric truck would be a great thing. (7+ / 0-)

          Too bad the technology is still so expensive.

          Electric motors give maximum torque at lowest rpms.  Lots and lots of grunt down low -- the very definition of what you want in a working truck.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 04:20:48 PM PDT

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          •  Apparently, you and I disagree with a whole market (2+ / 0-)
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            segment of NSCAR-watching Americans who want pickups with five litre V-8's and low-profile racing tires on 22" rims. With spinners.

            WTF?

            Reaganomics noun pl: blind faith that unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources. Synonyms: trickle-down; voodoo economics. Antonyms: common sense. Related Words: Laffer curve.

            by FrY10cK on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 04:36:44 PM PDT

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            •  I believe that you are assuming a lot. (1+ / 0-)
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              Don't forget that most people's experience with electric cars is with golf carts and might-as-well-be golf carts.

              You could count the Prius as an electric care if you wish, but I don't see that helping matters much.

              Let somebody build a truck that is the Tesla S of trucks and we can see what everybody wants.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 04:45:02 PM PDT

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            •  Those are not (4+ / 0-)
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              working trucks. Note that Ford's Eco-Boost V6 is quickly gaining converts among the trailer hauling and work truck segment, who enjoy the combination of V8-like power when on the boost, and six-cylinder economy numbers in normal driving.

              "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

              by happy camper on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 04:51:48 PM PDT

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              •  Euro-Diesel on the Way (0+ / 0-)

                I want a truck that will get good mileage and last over a decade.  Those turbocharged ECO-boost gas engines simply aren't going to cut it long term in the big league.  Dodge had the smarts to put a Cummins in-line six diesel in theirs.  Indestructible work-horse, unfortunately a VERY expensive option.

                GM's been selling a 2.8L diesel overseas but we've got to wait until 2015 model year to get one in a small truck.  Hopefully they won't screw it up, but GM has done a pretty shitty job with marketing (and temporarily cancelling - WTF?) their small Colorado truck (more $$$ in the behemoth jurassic Sierra model line pigs )

                •  Problems with diesel... (0+ / 0-)

                  Yes, they last forever, and they get good mileage, but maintenance is more expensive--an oil change on the Cummins is about $150--and in my neck of the woods, diesel fuel runs 60-70 cents a gallon more than gas. Plus, as you mentioned, the initial cost is very high--the 6.6L diesel is a $7200 option in a Chevy truck.

                   

                  "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

                  by happy camper on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 08:39:57 AM PDT

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                  •  A few notes on that...which explain why I am (0+ / 0-)

                    a big diesel home this weekend:

                    1. Maintenance items are more expensive, but overall maintenance costs may not be.  Depends on your disel.

                    2. Diesel vs gas costs vary around the country. Here in North Texas, the difference is about twenty cents. What needs to be remembered is that diesel fuel has something like 30% more energy than gasoline, so...evening things out, a $4.00 gallon of gasoline would be equivalent to $5.20 diesel.

                    3. Gasoline and Diesel engines are very different under load. Diesels tend to deliver mas torque and HP at much lower rpm than gasoline engines. If you need to pull heavy loads, diesel will be much more efficient than gasoline.

                    The environmental kicker:

                    4a:  We can live without gasoline more easily than we can live without diesel. Diesel fuel is more or less just kerosene.  Ditto for jet fuel.  Military tanks, jet airliners, and some portion of the heavy haulers and heavy machinery being used today are likely to remain in use, so diesel production, transport, and infrastructure will stick around.

                    4b: But the good news is that diesels are fuel whores.  You've seen the stories of folks who collect waste grease from restaurants to power their diesel vehicles -- lots and lots of biological oils can power up a diesel with just a little bit chemical massage.  You can wring a fair piece of diesel fuel out of much less land than it takes for, say, ethanol  You still might prefer to see most of your vehicles running on electric, running biodiesel can be mighty clean and carbon-neutral.

                    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                    by dinotrac on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 01:24:26 PM PDT

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                  •  I'm Hoping Consumer Grade is Less $$$ (0+ / 0-)

                    Pricing has not been released yet (to my knowledge).  I know Chrysler is putting an eco diesel in their Ram, but who in their right mind needs that oversized pig at the consumer level?  At the smaller end, the purchase isn't such a delusional waste for general consumer duty.  For now, it's Tacoma and Frontier, no amount of beer during football could bring on enough stupid to buy full sized.

          •  Electric delivery trucks may open the way (6+ / 0-)

            In applications that require frequent stopping and starting, they are clearly superior to internal combustion engine (ICE) powered trucks. In an urban or suburban environment, distances are short and frequent stopping and starting in traffic or for deliveries does not harm them as it does ICE powered vehicles. They emit no pollution in the process, something that is a big plus. With only short and predictable ranges of travel required, they don't need giant expensive batteries because their batteries can be sized to fit the requirement.

            Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is "Climate Cluster Chaos". (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

            by Zinman on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:39:40 PM PDT

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            •  And trains! (3+ / 0-)
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              Trains are diesel electric; the ICE charges batteries (the way the Volt works) so they are perfect for long-haul.

              So, all electric for the distribution-center-to-sales-point movement, and trains for long-distance.  End over-the-road trucking.  We save big time on GHG emissions, and road repair.

          •  For those of you interested in clean tech and EVs (1+ / 0-)
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            dinotrac

            I recommend a site that has daily news on solar, wind, tidal, wave energy and all sorts of the latest research on batteries and storage. It also deals with all the EVs out there including commercial carriers and motorcycles, even bikes.

            I don't work for them, I just love the site because it gives me a ray of hope when most of the news I get in my inbox is about yet another oil spill, the latest dire warnings about climate change, or what animal has been placed on the endangered species list today.

            Climate change is depressing and sometimes ( who am I kidding...it's more like daily) I get discouraged, then I read about the latest discoveries in the clean tech field and I can almost see the sun at the end of the tunnel

            We just might survive this after all!

            http://www.CleanTechnica.com.

        •  I may not have been clear. (0+ / 0-)

          Pickups with low profile Pirellis on racing rims and 0-60 times under 7 seconds are an obscene waste of resources. Goggle "Alberta tar sands" and look at the pictures for more info.

          Hauling loads efficiently might be an ideal use for Tesla tech along with building sports cars.

          Reaganomics noun pl: blind faith that unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources. Synonyms: trickle-down; voodoo economics. Antonyms: common sense. Related Words: Laffer curve.

          by FrY10cK on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:29:24 PM PDT

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